Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
09-14-2016, 01:38 PM
#6671
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: yea...CA; RJ driver
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by JohnTheFO
Envoy has higher pay and a guaranteed flow. Meanwhile 9Es hire rate into delta is less than 40% at times.
09-14-2016, 01:42 PM
#6672
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: NB CA
Posts: 451
Originally Posted by FlyinFool
In this environment I think it unwise for any to jump ship unless American is their Dream Job. Endeavor is still tip of the spear if you ask me. With the improvements we continue to see year after year I'd just as soon sit tight and watch it unfold while you build seniority and increase QOL. This isn't End-State
Last edited by flyingmau5; 09-14-2016 at 02:22 PM.
09-14-2016, 01:48 PM
#6673
Property of Scheduling
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,524
Life sucks, then you die. Only one guarantee in life, one life- live it.
In the end, everyone makes the best decision at the time. In the end, some win the lotto, some hit rock bottom, and many will follow with the tide. Rising tides tend to lift all.
That's enough of being morbid. All you can do is figure out your own situation, your own opportunities, and make the best of it. The idea of jumping regionals rarely works out to get to a major quicker. Keep eyes on the goal and execute. A guaranteed interview is simply a proving ground. If your mission (from a career standpoint) is to be at Delta, Endeavor gives you that chance. The interview, with prep and a background showing you are in the right mindset with execution, is not something to fear.
Going elsewhere only decreases the probability on Delta and further complicates the interview questions of "why did you leave XYZ". If you don't care what major you fly for, well, your situation is different, but you must analyze what you need to get the interview elsewhere. O, you need PIC time in a jet under 121? Well shop around, last I heard we have folks in new hire class who will be upgrading once they get 100 in type with the hours they walked in with. So yea, sorry, not a street captain, gotta wait a couple months (backhand to forehand screaming "o the humanity"). Make a goal, evaluate options, find your path, and execute.
For those who are newhires or potential newhires, it's not all about first year pay. It's a complete package with an end in mind. Where do you live? Will you move or commute? Will you need to be an FO for a while for time or will you be able to upgrade quickly? Do you want to upgrade quickly with QOL implications? Where do you want to end up? Now, what carrier gives you the best path based on above questions? Making more or less first year can be pointless if you can upgrade quickly and be on CA pay and getting pic time to where you want to be. View the full package. Too many folks talk about year 1 pay and don't look at their full outlook. Use your brain and think it all through.
Rant over.
In the end, everyone makes the best decision at the time. In the end, some win the lotto, some hit rock bottom, and many will follow with the tide. Rising tides tend to lift all.
That's enough of being morbid. All you can do is figure out your own situation, your own opportunities, and make the best of it. The idea of jumping regionals rarely works out to get to a major quicker. Keep eyes on the goal and execute. A guaranteed interview is simply a proving ground. If your mission (from a career standpoint) is to be at Delta, Endeavor gives you that chance. The interview, with prep and a background showing you are in the right mindset with execution, is not something to fear.
Going elsewhere only decreases the probability on Delta and further complicates the interview questions of "why did you leave XYZ". If you don't care what major you fly for, well, your situation is different, but you must analyze what you need to get the interview elsewhere. O, you need PIC time in a jet under 121? Well shop around, last I heard we have folks in new hire class who will be upgrading once they get 100 in type with the hours they walked in with. So yea, sorry, not a street captain, gotta wait a couple months (backhand to forehand screaming "o the humanity"). Make a goal, evaluate options, find your path, and execute.
For those who are newhires or potential newhires, it's not all about first year pay. It's a complete package with an end in mind. Where do you live? Will you move or commute? Will you need to be an FO for a while for time or will you be able to upgrade quickly? Do you want to upgrade quickly with QOL implications? Where do you want to end up? Now, what carrier gives you the best path based on above questions? Making more or less first year can be pointless if you can upgrade quickly and be on CA pay and getting pic time to where you want to be. View the full package. Too many folks talk about year 1 pay and don't look at their full outlook. Use your brain and think it all through.
Rant over.
09-14-2016, 01:52 PM
#6674
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: the right side
Posts: 1,373
Originally Posted by WhiskeyKilo
Nope. You just have to let scheduling know. As long as they say it's ok then you can go.
That's what I thought, was thinking about grabbing a cheap one way rental to drive the less than 100 miles home after 1 leg on a 2 day trip
09-14-2016, 02:48 PM
#6675
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 216
Originally Posted by stillcantfly
Rasict?? How about our FA walking around with BLM tags on her bag unreal!!! If we were to walk around with white lives matter we would be terminated Imediately....that's rasict
09-14-2016, 05:38 PM
#6677
Master Jedi
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: L side view
Posts: 75
You can tell his level of knowledge... AKA: Limited
Originally Posted by Max Glide
Says someone who's oblivious to proper usage [rule] in written English which requires uppercase letter to start the word 'English'!
09-14-2016, 07:14 PM
#6678
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 15
Junior Captain at Envoy right now is a 2010 hire. That is going to be a 2014 hire in less than a year, unless they shrink the fleet significantly. The 2.5 year upgrade management claim has been a joke over here for awhile, but it may actually happen. There is a regional pay/bonus/per diem analysis which I'm linking below. Endeavor is going to stay at the top of compensation as long as the bonus keeps going.
Regional Pilot Job Pay Comparator ? RPJ ? Regional Pilot Job
Regional Pilot Job Pay Comparator ? RPJ ? Regional Pilot Job
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