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02-15-2018, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by IPAsallday
Any one else find a real gap in company communication and publications. CFM 4 is all over the place. ODH is now mandatory for most briefs. NATS/Warts is getting out of control. It takes new hires 10mins to follow them.
Unless I missed something, the only ODH briefing that's REQUIRED is the Cat II, all the others are RECOMMENDED. I don't use the recommended ODH briefings maybe I'm the only one.
02-15-2018, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I liked the old "tell a story" briefs better but company says I have to do WARTS/NATS and they're signing my paycheck so that's what I'll do. I don't read all of the items off the card though, only what's applicable to this flight.
Unless I missed something, the only ODH briefing that's REQUIRED is the Cat II, all the others are RECOMMENDED. I don't use the recommended ODH briefings maybe I'm the only one.
Unless I missed something, the only ODH briefing that's REQUIRED is the Cat II, all the others are RECOMMENDED. I don't use the recommended ODH briefings maybe I'm the only one.
02-15-2018, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I liked the old "tell a story" briefs better but company says I have to do WARTS/NATS and they're signing my paycheck so that's what I'll do. I don't read all of the items off the card though, only what's applicable to this flight.
Unless I missed something, the only ODH briefing that's REQUIRED is the Cat II, all the others are RECOMMENDED. I don't use the recommended ODH briefings maybe I'm the only one.
Unless I missed something, the only ODH briefing that's REQUIRED is the Cat II, all the others are RECOMMENDED. I don't use the recommended ODH briefings maybe I'm the only one.
02-15-2018, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sticky39
Every approach has a required odh checklist to complete, except visuals, ILS and LDA w/gs.
The more you know...
02-15-2018, 07:05 AM
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In regards to the ODH approach checklists, I just went through training and the instructors said it was a typo. It should say recommended for all except cat II and vnav stuff on the 900. Page 7-30 in the 200 CFM and 7-32 for the 900 says it is recommended. Apparently they got a memo saying this. I personally hate that they/company know about the error but just let things spread via word of mouth. It puts all of us in a crappy spot where there is conflicting information. With the EFBs they could easily just issue a correction to it or at the very least put out a memo.
02-15-2018, 12:49 PM
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Until it is in black-and-white somewhere, it’s not a mistake, it’s a rule we must follow. If “they say” it’s a typo, and you are found not doing it by the book, who gets in trouble of something goes wrong?
This is why I created the thread about the seat belt chime. Conflicting info. Some have said that Chapter 4 is “the right one”, what was intended. But until Chapter 3 is changed, we have an option.
This is why I created the thread about the seat belt chime. Conflicting info. Some have said that Chapter 4 is “the right one”, what was intended. But until Chapter 3 is changed, we have an option.
Originally Posted by SEMIslave
In regards to the ODH approach checklists, I just went through training and the instructors said it was a typo. It should say recommended for all except cat II and vnav stuff on the 900. Page 7-30 in the 200 CFM and 7-32 for the 900 says it is recommended. Apparently they got a memo saying this. I personally hate that they/company know about the error but just let things spread via word of mouth. It puts all of us in a crappy spot where there is conflicting information. With the EFBs they could easily just issue a correction to it or at the very least put out a memo.
02-15-2018, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Until it is in black-and-white somewhere, it’s not a mistake, it’s a rule we must follow. If “they say” it’s a typo, and you are found not doing it by the book, who gets in trouble of something goes wrong?
This is why I created the thread about the seat belt chime. Conflicting info. Some have said that Chapter 4 is “the right one”, what was intended. But until Chapter 3 is changed, we have an option.
This is why I created the thread about the seat belt chime. Conflicting info. Some have said that Chapter 4 is “the right one”, what was intended. But until Chapter 3 is changed, we have an option.
02-15-2018, 01:24 PM
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I appreciate the sharing of the info, and I am sure many here will benefit. I just read the CFM after you posted it, and it certainly looks like that would CYA if one were to not brief the approach as per the ODH requirement. Makes it about a concrete as the seat belt chime, eh?
As someone said above... the more you know!
As someone said above... the more you know!
Originally Posted by SEMIslave
I hear ya. Just sharing the conflicting information I’ve gotten. The CFM isn’t very specific but does say the approach guides are recommended and that’s what the training people have said. I understand the conflict with the ODH. I’m not saying which one is the proper way to go. It would just be nice if we could get some official clarification anytime before next year.
02-16-2018, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SEMIslave
In regards to the ODH approach checklists, I just went through training and the instructors said it was a typo. It should say recommended for all except cat II and vnav stuff on the 900. Page 7-30 in the 200 CFM and 7-32 for the 900 says it is recommended. Apparently they got a memo saying this. I personally hate that they/company know about the error but just let things spread via word of mouth. It puts all of us in a crappy spot where there is conflicting information. With the EFBs they could easily just issue a correction to it or at the very least put out a memo.
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