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Old 01-13-2018 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns
Not trying to be snarky, but do you think you were the only disaster they were trying deal with?
Who cares. It's weather, they know it's coming, bring 4 extra schedulers in and pay them time and a half. 3 hours is stupid 3 hours with a reassignment and NO hotel is neglect. You'd be in an office if you delayed one flight 3 hours, never mind every leg.

If guys are in station, following the FOM exactly, they should be on their way home already if not already there. If this was msp or dtw every endeavor pilot would be at home before the roads closed and that'd be the LAST time scheduling would be allowed to fail. Its NY, 90% commuter, so everyone is stuck and hostage.

If the hotel issues are that bad you guys should grieve it. If enough pilots put in for it, and the union pushes it, the price of 6 or 10 extra guys on the phone or holding apis hand and this crap will stop and it'll be cheaper than paying every pilot 2-6 hours for their j-off session with scheduling.
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Old 01-13-2018 | 11:00 PM
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Hello Endeavor Pilots,

Can anyone please tell me how many pilots is Endeavor losing on a monthly basis. Reason I am asking is that Envoy has a guaranteed attrition as they are sending their pilots to AA. Are Endeavor guys getting hired by Delta thru the DGI or are they being picked up by other majors? Thank you.

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Old 01-14-2018 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetflight77
Hello Endeavor Pilots,

Can anyone please tell me how many pilots is Endeavor losing on a monthly basis. Reason I am asking is that Envoy has a guaranteed attrition as they are sending their pilots to AA. Are Endeavor guys getting hired by Delta thru the DGI or are they being picked up by other majors? Thank you.

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About 330 total in 2017 excluding training washouts. DGI hasn't started yet, but yes under SSP. Also other majors as well, but far more to Delta than any other single major. Nice thing is no one is making a lateral move to other regional airlines.
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Old 01-14-2018 | 05:10 AM
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This discussion reminds me that they announced the unrolling of the test of the messaging system kind of a while ago now, and they've been quiet on it since. Anyone heard anything?
I'm a Beta tester. There are some issues outstanding. The developer and CS are actively working on resolving the problems. I'd say we're pretty much where a medium scale realtime IT system implementation should be at this point in its lifecycle. It won't be long.
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Old 01-14-2018 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PT6flyer
Who cares. It's weather, they know it's coming, bring 4 extra schedulers in and pay them time and a half. 3 hours is stupid 3 hours with a reassignment and NO hotel is neglect. You'd be in an office if you delayed one flight 3 hours, never mind every leg.

If guys are in station, following the FOM exactly, they should be on their way home already if not already there. If this was msp or dtw every endeavor pilot would be at home before the roads closed and that'd be the LAST time scheduling would be allowed to fail. Its NY, 90% commuter, so everyone is stuck and hostage.

If the hotel issues are that bad you guys should grieve it. If enough pilots put in for it, and the union pushes it, the price of 6 or 10 extra guys on the phone or holding apis hand and this crap will stop and it'll be cheaper than paying every pilot 2-6 hours for their j-off session with scheduling.
^^^^^^this. It also wouldn’t be that hard to have a dedicated scheduler for each base during an IROP so that a pilot with an MSP question doesn’t have to wait 5 hours to get an answer for an OT pickup when NYC is crapping itself for the 12th time of the month.

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Old 01-14-2018 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns
Not trying to be snarky, but do you think you were the only disaster they were trying deal with?
Not trying to be snarky....but why tell somebody to go to a hotel when the reservation isn't even made yet? There were eight rooms in this hotel left in a market with dozens of flights cancelliing. The crew had 11 hours left until report for the flight the following morning. Seems like you may want to be sure of what you're telling them to do before you have to start wrecking the next days schedule before the ink is wet on it. Thankfully they held the rooms for us knowing I was on hold waiting to get it fixed.
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Old 01-14-2018 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PT6flyer
Who cares. It's weather, they know it's coming, bring 4 extra schedulers in and pay them time and a half. 3 hours is stupid 3 hours with a reassignment and NO hotel is neglect. You'd be in an office if you delayed one flight 3 hours, never mind every leg.

If guys are in station, following the FOM exactly, they should be on their way home already if not already there. If this was msp or dtw every endeavor pilot would be at home before the roads closed and that'd be the LAST time scheduling would be allowed to fail. Its NY, 90% commuter, so everyone is stuck and hostage.

If the hotel issues are that bad you guys should grieve it. If enough pilots put in for it, and the union pushes it, the price of 6 or 10 extra guys on the phone or holding apis hand and this crap will stop and it'll be cheaper than paying every pilot 2-6 hours for their j-off session with scheduling.
Indeed. It seems negligent to allow your operation to implode because you will not spend a trivial amount of money on extra schedulers when they are needed. This sort of carelessness should not continue for months and years, and when it does, it undermines the culture, the leadership, and everything the leadership says. You have to acknowledge your weakness and address it; thats exactly what we do with FOQA, for example.
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Old 01-14-2018 | 10:07 AM
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The biggest issue I see is that many things require multiple calls. 5 calls yesterday over 7 hours to get a hotel. And this was on a non-irop day.
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Old 01-14-2018 | 12:02 PM
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So frustrating. I am the only one that gave no effs. Delayed deadhead, which caused a misconnect so I just booked it home and took my chances. To now, I still have no notifications or schedule modifications and that trip ended yesterday. All I care is that rainmaker is accurate and it is.
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Old 01-14-2018 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Theoden
Indeed. It seems negligent to allow your operation to implode because you will not spend a trivial amount of money on extra schedulers when they are needed. This sort of carelessness should not continue for months and years, and when it does, it undermines the culture, the leadership, and everything the leadership says. You have to acknowledge your weakness and address it; thats exactly what we do with FOQA, for example.
Agreed...nothing but a big arse damn failure. It’s pathetic that we continue down this path. How can you keep your employees on the phone for two damn hours? Managament /ALPA needs to address this yesteryear
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