Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
03-03-2018 | 03:08 PM
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Or are all these new additional things we have to do seem like overkill? Now they want us to go faster, bug ATC first, which is money out of our pockets as well. Get your new card and talk about all the new customer service demands on we pilot's. We are not supposed to be involved in all this nonsense. One accident or incident will bring it to a stop.
Don't get violated people with all this additional work. New contract, bad scheduling language, and more pay but man they are piling it on. It's getting to be a bit too much.
Btw, tons are on reserve and not flying but somehow you cannot manage to drop R and/or pick up trips. Most of my class is very frustrated. The devil is in the details.
Signed,
Disappointed
Don't get violated people with all this additional work. New contract, bad scheduling language, and more pay but man they are piling it on. It's getting to be a bit too much.
Btw, tons are on reserve and not flying but somehow you cannot manage to drop R and/or pick up trips. Most of my class is very frustrated. The devil is in the details.
Signed,
Disappointed
Center/app: “Endeavor 3xxx, slow to 210 spacing.”
Endeavor 3xxx: “But...the landing window!”
“What?”
I just don’t see this working.
03-03-2018 | 03:47 PM
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Go .80..29 vectors, a hold, gate change blah blah blah. What is the WINDOW? My window is to never see NY ever!
03-03-2018 | 05:46 PM
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I understand the intent behind the landing window, but it isn’t easily applied to real line flying. Must’ve been cooked up by some paper pusher at a desk. Not to mention, our D:0 and A:14 metrics are relatively strong. Plus, how’s it gonna actually work? Changing TAS enroute, sure, but what happens when center or approach slows you 200 miles from the airport for metering? What happens if you land on 10 instead of 9R in Atlanta, therefore adding taxi time? What happens when you hold short of a parallel runway for a while after landing?
Center/app: “Endeavor 3xxx, slow to 210 spacing.”
Endeavor 3xxx: “But...the landing window!”
“What?”
I just don’t see this working.
Center/app: “Endeavor 3xxx, slow to 210 spacing.”
Endeavor 3xxx: “But...the landing window!”
“What?”
I just don’t see this working.
I'll give it a shot but I think it's got a lot of variables that are out of our control.
I think the focus on D:0 and A:0 is probably plenty.
I understand the goal, continual improvement. It's a good goal. I'll try it. I think it's probably better in theory than in practice.
03-03-2018 | 06:42 PM
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It doesn't make logical sense, if I land early, I might as well go wait in the pad, rather than slow all arriving traffic into the hub to meet a 10min landing window. If ground crews are not available when we land, that's not our job to supervise the ramp staff.
03-03-2018 | 06:51 PM
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The passengers likely won't notice if we take 5 or 10 minutes extra aloft but if we make the "short of the gate" PA they notice.
I'm just guessing that's what they're trying to accomplish with this. They could just tell us to taxi slow...
03-03-2018 | 07:44 PM
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This argument is like debating over if we should haul ass and wait in the parking lot for the store to open, or drive a little slower and pull in right when it opens. Yeah there’s the off chance that the time we haul ass the overzealous employee opens up the store early, but not nearly as common as we hope.
If the company says be aware of your landing window and do what you can to land in it to help us out on the ground in LGA, ya know what? I’m gonna try. I’d much rather fly a bit slower and maybe make 50% less “we’re waiting on a gate announcements” and then have the whole plane growl at us on the way out
If the company says be aware of your landing window and do what you can to land in it to help us out on the ground in LGA, ya know what? I’m gonna try. I’d much rather fly a bit slower and maybe make 50% less “we’re waiting on a gate announcements” and then have the whole plane growl at us on the way out
03-03-2018 | 10:37 PM
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All Delta releases have a planned landing window. Delta is where the WARTS/NATS came from. Delta pilots have to put name tags on straight too. They have to provide customer service to promote the brand. They have to put name tags on straight and wear hats (by the book, not just at a mustache’s suggestion.) There is a lot more buttons on their blazers too. Maybe instead of cards on a necklace, they just remember to look at the paperwork...
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