Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
03-03-2018, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by HarlsBarkley
I understand the intent behind the landing window, but it isn’t easily applied to real line flying. Must’ve been cooked up by some paper pusher at a desk. Not to mention, our D:0 and A:14 metrics are relatively strong. Plus, how’s it gonna actually work? Changing TAS enroute, sure, but what happens when center or approach slows you 200 miles from the airport for metering? What happens if you land on 10 instead of 9R in Atlanta, therefore adding taxi time? What happens when you hold short of a parallel runway for a while after landing?
Center/app: “Endeavor 3xxx, slow to 210 spacing.”
Endeavor 3xxx: “But...the landing window!”
“What?”
I just don’t see this working.
Center/app: “Endeavor 3xxx, slow to 210 spacing.”
Endeavor 3xxx: “But...the landing window!”
“What?”
I just don’t see this working.
I'll give it a shot but I think it's got a lot of variables that are out of our control.
I think the focus on D:0 and A:0 is probably plenty.
I understand the goal, continual improvement. It's a good goal. I'll try it. I think it's probably better in theory than in practice.
03-03-2018, 06:42 PM
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It doesn't make logical sense, if I land early, I might as well go wait in the pad, rather than slow all arriving traffic into the hub to meet a 10min landing window. If ground crews are not available when we land, that's not our job to supervise the ramp staff.
03-03-2018, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
It doesn't make logical sense, if I land early, I might as well go wait in the pad, rather than slow all arriving traffic into the hub to meet a 10min landing window. If ground crews are not available when we land, that's not our job to supervise the ramp staff.
The passengers likely won't notice if we take 5 or 10 minutes extra aloft but if we make the "short of the gate" PA they notice.
I'm just guessing that's what they're trying to accomplish with this. They could just tell us to taxi slow...
03-03-2018, 07:44 PM
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This argument is like debating over if we should haul ass and wait in the parking lot for the store to open, or drive a little slower and pull in right when it opens. Yeah there’s the off chance that the time we haul ass the overzealous employee opens up the store early, but not nearly as common as we hope.
If the company says be aware of your landing window and do what you can to land in it to help us out on the ground in LGA, ya know what? I’m gonna try. I’d much rather fly a bit slower and maybe make 50% less “we’re waiting on a gate announcements” and then have the whole plane growl at us on the way out
If the company says be aware of your landing window and do what you can to land in it to help us out on the ground in LGA, ya know what? I’m gonna try. I’d much rather fly a bit slower and maybe make 50% less “we’re waiting on a gate announcements” and then have the whole plane growl at us on the way out
03-03-2018, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Two Kings
It feels like it’s getting kinda of ridiculous. I don’t know for certain but I feel like Delta pilots don’t deal with a tenth of this BS. I don’t see a deck of cards attached to their lanyards.
03-03-2018, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HeyOneTaco
This argument is like debating over if we should haul ass and wait in the parking lot for the store to open, or drive a little slower and pull in right when it opens. Yeah there’s the off chance that the time we haul ass the overzealous employee opens up the store early, but not nearly as common as we hope.
If the company says be aware of your landing window and do what you can to land in it to help us out on the ground in LGA, ya know what? I’m gonna try. I’d much rather fly a bit slower and maybe make 50% less “we’re waiting on a gate announcements” and then have the whole plane growl at us on the way out
If the company says be aware of your landing window and do what you can to land in it to help us out on the ground in LGA, ya know what? I’m gonna try. I’d much rather fly a bit slower and maybe make 50% less “we’re waiting on a gate announcements” and then have the whole plane growl at us on the way out
03-04-2018, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
All Delta releases have a planned landing window. Delta is where the WARTS/NATS came from. Delta pilots have to put name tags on straight too. They have to provide customer service to promote the brand. They have to put name tags on straight and wear hats (by the book, not just at a mustache’s suggestion.) There is a lot more buttons on their blazers too. Maybe instead of cards on a necklace, they just remember to look at the paperwork...
03-04-2018, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
How is that?
Any speed faster than LRC wastes fuel for the distance flown, as does running the engines while sitting still.
Any speed faster than LRC wastes fuel for the distance flown, as does running the engines while sitting still.
I was thinking increased fuel flow in flight vs in the pad but to get to the pad early, you already had the increased fuel flow from the higher speed flight. So you lose twice.
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