Originally Posted by Avroman

It's a failure because there were a lot of yes votes bought with the sales job that the SSP would be basically what PSA has. Walk in, shake hands, say "yes I want to work here", and get your new hire paperwork. That is not at all what we have. So half this pilot group basically got sold a bag of used baseballs. Yes it's great (minus the year + waiting to actually get a class date) for about half. The other half got yet another screwing out of this contract. Take away the longevity payout and the SSP and then redo the vote and see what the results would have been. The payout was less than one year's lost pay and the SSP didn't cost much if anything for the company to give, at first. The failure of the SSP is because of how poor the numbers were, it gave FO's no reason to stay here and wait their turn. This caused the mass exodus last year. That required the company (Delta) to pony up $20K per pilot to keep this place from fully imploding. Had they gotten their hiring department under control and did what was sold to this group, many FO's would not have jumped ship, but waited their turn as senior guys moved on. That didn't happen of course and the rest is now history.

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

And I suspect that with PSAs direct entry captain, there will be not as drastic but a similar exodus.

Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

but is this a company worth considering given the opportunities at some other east coast/midwest based regionals?

Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

As someone who is thinking of coming to 9E, I was wondering what the commuter policy looks like. Also, it seems like things are getting better from a management perspective, but is this a company worth considering given the opportunities at some other east coast/midwest based regionals?

Originally Posted by Endeavor200

I think it's better than the other regional's. But take the one with a home base. But if then commute is equal for the option's you're considering then 9E.

Originally Posted by Two Kings

Pretty standard commuter clause. List for two flights and if you can't get on call crew scheduling. They'll positive space you if they're desperate but don't count on it. Good news working for 9e is that since we're wholly owned you get priority above all other Delta connection carriers on mainline flights. And of course you get priority of our own metal.

Originally Posted by Gearswinger

How can you say the SSP is a failure? Do you honestly think that even a fraction of the guys hired would have even got off the street interviews this early in DL's hiring wave without it? Agreed that it's not what the mustache sold us, but it's far from a failure.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Flows and SSPs are metering programs for the wholly owned. They are not jobs programs, or gifts. In the past, until Comair screwed it up, wholly owned carriers got seniority numbers.

The point of these programs is to allow the mainline to hire off the street instead of hiring everyone at the WO first. In other words, these programs are designed to keep you here, and maybe get you to mainline someday.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Flows and SSPs are metering programs for the wholly owned. They are not jobs programs, or gifts. In the past, until Comair screwed it up, wholly owned carriers got seniority numbers.

The point of these programs is to allow the mainline to hire off the street instead of hiring everyone at the WO first. In other words, these programs are designed to keep you here, and maybe get you to mainline someday.