Great for them, a few I know as friends and could not be happier for. They are the lucky ones who have gotten out of the regional rat race to the bottom. Can you answer my earlier questions?

How many pilots are on the 9E seniority list that have failed the guarenteed Delta SSP interview and will not be leaving 9E anytime soon? How will all those stagnant pilots at the top of the list effect upgrade times for those looking to come to 9E?

 

SmitteyB I am very happy for you, your recent upgrade, and those friends of mine who are happy working at 9E. I hope you all the best.

I am not happy to see how your recruiters and lifers have advocated for new hires to fill in the bottom of the seniority list. I feel they are being selfish and dishonest. I think you would agree from our time spent flying together and knowing your opinions with your alpa work. I was provoked to post my opinions and ask my questions when I continued to see 9E recruiters posting in other airlines' forums. I wish to see all regional flying back under the mainline certificate. Until then I want new hires to be informed with truthful information to make their career decisions.

How many 9E pilots have failed the guaranteed interview and will not be leaving? What happens when the C Series takes back the Delta flying? What are FOs paid when the temporary bonuses expire?

 

All these replies and not one straight answer to any of my questions. That should be telling enough to any potential pilot that 9E is not all it is advertised to be, and those pilots still there know it.

 

Don't know who you are, but you know me, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you are having a bad day.

Regardless of what any "lifer" posted in a forum, your vendetta against the company and need for retaliation for a post on a message board, by someone you claim is a recruiter is childish at best. I know there aren't any recruiters who are authorized to act in any capacity on this or any other board.

I apologize if one of our overzealous pilots wanders into a PSA thread and tries to derail it. It's a message board - unfortunately anonymity will breed this type of behavior. Let's just all go back to our corners and try to get out of this cesspool regional world.

As far as your questions- there have been around 200 pilots turned down via the SSP. Many pilots have not attempted. We are losing on average 5 captains per month to employers other than Delta.

The CSeries are largely for 50-seat replacement as well as 70-seat retirements, not to mention domestic capacity increases. That's not to say that Endeavor won't lose flying as a result, but the Bankruptcy agreement does guarantee 81 -900s until 2021. A similar setup to PSA, no?

The company has approached the union about extending the retention bonuses, but the Association has chosen to defer those negotiations in hopes we can retrieve that cash in meaningful contract repair. We will see.

 

What the hell is wrong with this guy?

 

LOL!! An ex-9E guy who jumped ship now trying to justify his decision to go to bottom feeding PSA.... You can't pay for this good of entertainment, folks!

9E pilots move on to all other airlines, just like every other carrier. Just because someone failed or didn't take the Delta interview doesn't mean they are unhirable. We just have the added bonus of hundreds of pilots going to Delta on top of normal attrition.

Both the company and union have agreed that they will be extending the bonus, there is just a disagreement in how that will take place. The union wants it rolled into the pay scale while the company wants it still as a bonus. It will not cease to exist after 2018....

Delta has stated publicly many times that Endeavor plays a crucial role in the system and will continue to in the future. Heck, even Delta's planned ab initio program involves 9E. Ed has talked that he wants to continue to grow 9E.... Why wouldn't they? We are cheaper than mainline but are consistent and well run. We cover other DCI carrier flights on the daily. Endeavor, IMHO, is the safest DCI carrier as it stands now.

Also, how many times does it have to be said that the bonus is CONTRACTUAL. It cannot be taken away any easier than PSA could decide to pay you $1 an hour...

All your tired, old rhetoric has been heard a million times by other sour ex 9E guys (eyy AlaskaBound!). Guess what? Every doomsday prediction that has been made about 9E never came true, in fact 9E has flourished! That must drive you mad, huh? Everyone said the bonus would never be paid out, that 9E would be shut down in a month, etc. Last I checked our doors are open and the checks aren't bouncing.

Signed,

A first year FO who will gross over $70k this year (which is probably better than a PSA captain will get paid... Drives you mad, huh?)

 

I don't know... to any of your questions. The first is a ver closely guarded secret.

To the second, I'm sure it will effect some.

Gripe at the guys who made regionals have a great living wage at the top and made it where the senior guys don't want to leave.

I heard your excuse on why you are trashing on our thread, but why not go poop in your yard. From the message your MEC Chair put out today your new hires are going to take a pay cut for year two. Our bonuses aren't going away. or something way better will come up. IMO.

 

Thank you for being, as always, a voice of reason and intellect, and I truly respect your choice of a thinly veiled user name on a mostly anonymous forum. Thank you for answering some of my questions. Again, and hopefully for the last time tonight, I am NOT advocating for anyone to goto any particular regional. I simply wanted the answers which have been posted above. Of course you can't get a straight answer if it is not aligned with some posters' objectives, and so we had to wade through a lot of muck to get here. Again I appreciate your response and I will cease derailing this topic. If anyone should seek a response or opinion from me on any 9E topic please PM me.

 

A little jaded, are we? Again, which regional isn't trying to paint the best picture for recruiting purposes? Also are you suggesting none of them bend the truth either? No one has a crystal ball, and even with the best intentions things could be drastically different years down the road. Aviation business models are pretty fluid.

 

Believe me I did and still do gripe those guys, as a no voter who lived with the turd sandwich bankruptcy ta too long I have a lot of resentment built up. I try to keep my poops on my own yard, but when one of your tractors comes poking around I got a wild hair to jump the fence and get some answers. I'll be going home now, PM me your hate mail.