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Old 11-22-2016 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
When attrition is 25+ a month and there's only 30-40 month coming online they can't backfill and open new bases at the same time. Why can't you guys understand that. When NY is fully staffed and if our net increase is + 10-20 month they can then backfill all bases.
I don't think anybody knows when NYC is fully staffed. It's been vacancy after vacancy of NYC. Indications are that the next vacancy will again be mostly NYC positions. We are the regional of choice in DTW area, yet folks are very weary of getting NYC. We've all heard about "more jets" but who knows when that may be.
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Old 11-22-2016 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
When attrition is 25+ a month and there's only 30-40 month coming online they can't backfill and open new bases at the same time. Why can't you guys understand that. When NY is fully staffed and if our net increase is + 10-20 month they can then backfill all bases.
What aren't you understanding??? This just wait till New York is properly staffed could go on indefinitely? Especially if the company keeps dragging their feet on some of the improvements mentioned the last couple of years. Right now they just keep moving the carrot. Worse than that they're adding carrots to try and keep us interested. I for one understand some of the building frustration, and if they don't stay competitive with what American's doing they won't even get the 30-40 a month that they're getting now. What will you tell me I'm not understanding then?
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Old 11-22-2016 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by whoareyou311
We aren't at the hampton anymore?? That was a good neighborhood with options for food and groceries. I was there in July and august though.
No. trying to get back to the Hampton I believe.
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Old 11-22-2016 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
What aren't you understanding??? This just wait till New York is properly staffed could go on indefinitely? Especially if the company keeps dragging their feet on some of the improvements mentioned the last couple of years. Right now they just keep moving the carrot. Worse than that they're adding carrots to try and keep us interested. I for one understand some of the building frustration, and if they don't stay competitive with what American's doing they won't even get the 30-40 a month that they're getting now. What will you tell me I'm not understanding then?
Like I said a few pages back, I lost two referrals that had class dates with us in the past month. Their reasons to turn down our classes were no flow and they don't want NYC. I know my anecdote is a microcosm, but there are surely others.
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Old 11-22-2016 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wmichflyer
Like I said a few pages back, I lost two referrals that had class dates with us in the past month. Their reasons to turn down our classes were no flow and they don't want NYC. I know my anecdote is a microcosm, but there are surely others.
I hear ya and totally agree with ya. But your post wasn't the one that I quoted. The one I quoted basically suggests paitience. Meanwhile we are becoming less attractive to new pilots. Which is what you reinforced. Sorry about your referrals
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Old 11-22-2016 | 08:50 AM
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Sorry if I came off the wrong way. I was just echoing the point you made about becoming less attractive.
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Old 11-22-2016 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wmichflyer
Sorry if I came off the wrong way. I was just echoing the point you made about becoming less attractive.
Every pilot that turns us down, every new offer another airline makes, just gives us more to push for. We've now maxed our pay per LOA, and AA WOs have matched it, and have a flow. Next move?
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Old 11-22-2016 | 09:19 AM
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Every pilot that turns us down, every new offer another airline makes, just gives us more to push for. We've now maxed our pay per LOA, and AA WOs have matched it, and have a flow. Next move?
I just can't see Delta offering a flow. They've already turned down a lot of pilots with the SSP. How do they now tell these guys "I know we told you to go to United but now you are welcome to flow... sorry about making you wait and miss out on 3000 seniority numbers here but hey welcome aboard!" I mean do they say "sure everyone can flow except those that interviewed in the SSP?" I'd bet that would be great for morale around here
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Old 11-22-2016 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
I just can't see Delta offering a flow. They've already turned down a lot of pilots with the SSP. How do they now tell these guys "I know we told you to go to United but now you are welcome to flow... sorry about making you wait and miss out on 3000 seniority numbers here but hey welcome aboard!" I mean do they say "sure everyone can flow except those that interviewed in the SSP?" I'd bet that would be great for morale around here
This question was asked in recurrent. The answer was that Northwest took Mesaba flows that were turned down before. Not sure if it's relevant to the current situation but that was the argument.

I don't know why this flow argument keeps going on and on. The chances are slim to none we will ever see it.
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Old 11-22-2016 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 24Whiskey
This question was asked in recurrent. The answer was that Northwest took Mesaba flows that were turned down before. Not sure if it's relevant to the current situation but that was the argument.

I don't know why this flow argument keeps going on and on. The chances are slim to none we will ever see it.
There's a lot they can do before that. They just need to get off their _____s
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