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Old 01-29-2018 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Haven't been keeping up with their TA. Is it good? Based on the vote ratio, I'm guessing not very?
They wanted Endeavor or better, and got nothing close to it.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AimHigh1
They wanted Endeavor or better, and got nothing close to it.
And they weren't ever going to get Endeavor or better. They aren't being bankrolled by Delta or United. In the end, they are still hamstrung by their CPAs which were renegotiated in BK to, at least in part, afford to pay the massive raises they received in their last round of negotiations.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AimHigh1
They wanted Endeavor or better, and got nothing close to it.
The captain rates are better.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And they weren't ever going to get Endeavor or better. They aren't being bankrolled by Delta or United. In the end, they are still hamstrung by their CPAs which were renegotiated in BK to, at least in part, afford to pay the massive raises they received in their last round of negotiations.
False! RAH was bailed three ways by Delta, United and American for stakes in their assets. They got those planes that RAH had equity on for nickels on the dollar.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
False! RAH was bailed three ways by Delta, United and American for stakes in their assets. They got those planes that RAH had equity on for nickels on the dollar.
And what's your point? They still aren't owned by the major partners. Haven't a stake in assets isn't anything like being owned. Endeavor is literally bankrolled by Delta.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And they weren't ever going to get Endeavor or better. They aren't being bankrolled by Delta or United.
I agree. Their circumstance is completely different than ours.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And what's your point? They still aren't owned by the major partners. Haven't a stake in assets isn't anything like being owned. Endeavor is literally bankrolled by Delta.
Oh really? Then who owns them? Who bank rolls them?
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MileHi
The captain rates are better.
Congratulations. Your 16+ year captains will have a higher hourly rate after a couple years. That must be what, 10 percent of your pilot group? Meanwhile, the rest of your CAs take a few years just to catch up to our rates and your FOs never will. And to top it all off, your management now has the ability to offer unlimited new hire bonuses and tuition reimbursement to pilots that aren't even on the property yet. With this TA, you guys completely squandered any negotiating capital you stood to gain if Republic started to struggle to attract new hires. That last item should have been a deal breaker no matter what the rates were. The vast majority of your group was sold out to the benefit of the very top of the list, and pilots who aren't even on property yet. What an embarrassment.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken
Congratulations. Your 16+ year captains will have a higher hourly rate after a couple years. That must be what, 10 percent of your pilot group? Meanwhile, the rest of your CAs take a few years just to catch up to our rates and your FOs never will. And to top it all off, your management now has the ability to offer unlimited new hire bonuses and tuition reimbursement to pilots that aren't even on the property yet. With this TA, you guys completely squandered any negotiating capital you stood to gain if Republic started to struggle to attract new hires. That last item should have been a deal breaker no matter what the rates were. The vast majority of your group was sold out to the benefit of the very top of the list, and pilots who aren't even on property yet. What an embarrassment.

Oh stop it with your nonsense grandstanding. Bonuses don't solve staffing issues. Just ask Trans States Airlines or GoJet, who is offering a $44,000 bonus and still can't fill classes. If the company needs to recruit, they will come to you the Union and negotiate better rates. This wasn't the "last shot." The apocalypse isn't starting. Honestly, if you want to see what "leverage" can get you, look at Mesa and the toilet paper that is their contract.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Oh really? Then who owns them? Who bank rolls them?
They are bankrolled by the profit received from the CPAs from all three airlines. Endeavor is bankrolled by the Delta mothership. Go back to business 101 if you are still confused by ownership stake and wholly-owned.
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