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Old 12-26-2017 | 07:26 AM
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Loyalty to one's employer is not rewarded in this world. If you want to improve your career, fight for improvements at your workplace while at the same time, look to move up elsewhere.

Waiting for the flow is a joke that will disappoint you in the end. Flow has never been less than 12 years so far. There are 4 major airlines currently hiring with minimal requirements, as well as 2 quality cargo airlines. Update your applications every week. Try to beat the flow if possible.

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Old 12-26-2017 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
Loyalty to one's employer is not rewarded in this world. If you want to improve your career, fight for improvements at your workplace while at the same time, look to move up elsewhere.

Waiting for the flow is a joke that will disappoint you in the end. Flow has never been less than 12 years so far. There are 4 major airlines currently hiring with minimal requirements, as well as 2 quality cargo airlines. Update your applications every week. Try to beat the flow if possible.

These are my personal opinions and not the opinions of any other entity or employer.
In the next 4 years few will be waiting on the flow. The flow is just a insurance policy for those who messed up along the way or don’t have a degree. For those people they don’t have a choice.
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Old 12-26-2017 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Virga show
In the next 4 years few will be waiting on the flow. The flow is just a insurance policy for those who messed up along the way or don’t have a degree. For those people they don’t have a choice.
I hope you're right, but people have been saying that for years. Every single pilot should be actively updating applications at the big 4.
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Old 12-26-2017 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
I hope you're right, but people have been saying that for years. Every single pilot should be actively updating applications at the big 4.
True, but we are finally hitting the 65 age rule 5 years later after they extended it. This is the big game changer from all the past years. Of course they could extend it to 70 but I doubt anybody wants to work until 70 even if it is flying.
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Old 12-26-2017 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Virga show
True, but we are finally hitting the 65 age rule 5 years later after they extended it. This is the big game changer from all the past years. Of course they could extend it to 70 but I doubt anybody wants to work until 70 even if it is flying.
Sorry, you are a little off on your dates. The age 65 rule plus 5 years that you described above was due to the Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act (Public Law 110-135), signed by the President on December 13, 2007. Anyone 64 years 364 days old on that day continued on for 5 additional years if they desired and could hold a medical.

December 2012 is when those guys flushed. However, others that would have originally been forced retired at 60 were able to continue then as well. This keeps going today with everyone on any list.
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Old 12-26-2017 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Sorry, you are a little off on your dates. The age 65 rule plus 5 years that you described above was due to the Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act (Public Law 110-135), signed by the President on December 13, 2007. Anyone 64 years 364 days old on that day continued on for 5 additional years if they desired and could hold a medical.

December 2012 is when those guys flushed. However, others that would have originally been forced retired at 60 were able to continue then as well. This keeps going today with everyone on any list.
Thanks for the clarification. The only point I’m trying to make is that we now are feeling the affects of that rule and will be feeling them for a long time. This 65 rule will be the reason why a street captain at envoy (let’s just call it what it actually is) won’t be waiting around 8-9 years for the flow. More like 2-4 years to be hired by a legacy.
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Old 12-30-2017 | 06:02 PM
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Assuming one wanted to wait for the flow how long is it estimated at right now for a new hire? I'm reading so many numbers here it's making my head spin. 300- 400 a year makes it sound like 4-5years.
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Old 12-30-2017 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by stbloc
Assuming one wanted to wait for the flow how long is it estimated at right now for a new hire? I'm reading so many numbers here it's making my head spin. 300- 400 a year makes it sound like 4-5years.
8-9 years to flow for new hire
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Old 12-30-2017 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stbloc
300- 400 a year makes it sound like 4-5years.
300-400 a year has never happened and never will. 275 is best case scenario for this year and maybe next, and then contractually it goes down.
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Old 12-30-2017 | 08:21 PM
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I have seen people already bailing for JetBlue and Southwest. The way the company is violating the flow is ridiculous.




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