Flow is being violated for November
11-30-2017 | 10:21 AM
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Envoy sent 25 for the month.
Next AA class is 1/9/18.
12-01-2017 | 02:50 PM
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Flow was supposed to be 50% in November.
Flow was 29.8% in November.
While not unexpected, it is disappointing. To those who maintain optimism that flow will happen on schedule, the flow projections have been delayed again.
The company is supposed to do "everything in its power" to send 50%. Clearly, that hasn't happened. Every month the required 50% doesn't flow, every single junior pilot downstream is irreparably harmed.
Flow was 29.8% in November.
While not unexpected, it is disappointing. To those who maintain optimism that flow will happen on schedule, the flow projections have been delayed again.
The company is supposed to do "everything in its power" to send 50%. Clearly, that hasn't happened. Every month the required 50% doesn't flow, every single junior pilot downstream is irreparably harmed.
12-05-2017 | 11:55 PM
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Wasn't this flow reduction always the plan?
This was posted 2/1/2017 @07:09 pm in the Envoy thread. I remembered reading something like this about Envoy's flow; I had to search for it.
This was posted 2/1/2017 @07:09 pm in the Envoy thread. I remembered reading something like this about Envoy's flow; I had to search for it.
From their own materials, (Q3 2016), they had 202 of the 824 group, flowing at 30/mo (7 months), 1109 of the Protected Pilot group flowing at 25/mo (44 months), 149 of the DOS group flowing at 15/mo (10 months), and 295 new hires after 12/14 flowing at 15/mo (20 months)
If they added 30/mo for 10/16 thru 1/2017 = 120 NH (8 months to flow them)
With NO attrition, I add the months 7 + 44 + 10 + 20 + 8 = 89 months + 10/2016 = 3/2024 flow date for a 2/2017 NH. 7 years!
or to answer your question, the first NH after 12/14 will flow at 61 months from 10/16, or 11/21.
However, attrition is huge - they have 1800 pilots. If one assumes 15/month (about 1%) attrition, which will be all senior to the NH in the beginning (though all junior at the end). This means a quicker flow.
So I would guess that 7 years is the outside number. I think they are posting inside 6 yr flow, and I think that is not outlandish. But don't think 3-4 years - no one is projecting that.
No, I don't work there.
If they added 30/mo for 10/16 thru 1/2017 = 120 NH (8 months to flow them)
With NO attrition, I add the months 7 + 44 + 10 + 20 + 8 = 89 months + 10/2016 = 3/2024 flow date for a 2/2017 NH. 7 years!
or to answer your question, the first NH after 12/14 will flow at 61 months from 10/16, or 11/21.
However, attrition is huge - they have 1800 pilots. If one assumes 15/month (about 1%) attrition, which will be all senior to the NH in the beginning (though all junior at the end). This means a quicker flow.
So I would guess that 7 years is the outside number. I think they are posting inside 6 yr flow, and I think that is not outlandish. But don't think 3-4 years - no one is projecting that.
No, I don't work there.
12-06-2017 | 10:17 AM
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Not according to our management, as well as numerous company apologists on this site. RW emailed the pilot group last January and told us to expect 330+. Posters on here (like CR700, who claims to work on the management side) told pilots to "expect" 40/month to flow beginning last January, others said to expect 360+. Whenever anyone pointed out that 330+ or 40/month were unlikely, we were attacked for being too negative, or having an agenda. I haven't been able to find a confirmed final number of flows for the year, but I think it was about 260.
12-06-2017 | 11:58 AM
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Not according to our management, as well as numerous company apologists on this site. RW emailed the pilot group last January and told us to expect 330+. Posters on here (like CR700, who claims to work on the management side) told pilots to "expect" 40/month to flow beginning last January, others said to expect 360+. Whenever anyone pointed out that 330+ or 40/month were unlikely, we were attacked for being too negative, or having an agenda. I haven't been able to find a confirmed final number of flows for the year, but I think it was about 260.
12-06-2017 | 12:18 PM
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