What’s your other options? I chose to come to Envoy because it was the best option for me at the time (and still is), regardless of flow. And yeah, I concider flow more or less useless for a guy hired today with the way it’s being used by management.

They’re already ‘messing’ with it. AA putting more than one months of new hires into one month so that Envoy only has to give up 25 is ‘messing’ with flow without technically violating contract.

Also, management stating in advance they will never flow more than 25 per month is saying they never intend to honor the 50% part of the contract. I think it could be argued the contract was signed in bad faith. I’m sure there are legal ramifications to that if someone in the right place agreed. However, I gather it takes so long for these things to be sorted out, I bet most of us will have moved on to a major/legacy via the regular hiring process (if you have your apps out and updated that is).

 

Too bad new hires didn’t know or believed the truth before coming here. many have tried to convey here that flow is not in any way a guarantee that you will arrive at AA in a given time. Hope they will enjoy the 10 year tenure here.


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We all will be hire off the street by a mainline before 2027/2028.

 

Pretty all the other regionals ... also a few 135 and smaller 121's, and Spirit.

 

I was thinking more in terms of options you’d be happy with. Honestly, if you’re going to move to a base and work at a regional, Endevor looks pretty good right now. Hell, even if you’re commuting and the commute to either is about the same, Endevor looks pretty good right now. Moving was not an option for me though which dictated where I went. 135 did nothing for my resume and Spirit... just didn’t want to go there for a variety of reasons.

Flow had nothing to do with me coming here. I’d suggest others to think in the same way unless you have reasons to think you might need flow (like a non-ideal resume and a great desire to work for AA).

 

I used to work at 9E, great company and great people. I'm a Texas guy with a family, and I'm not about to move them to ANY place 9E operates. So commuting to work is what I am left with. Honestly for me, QOL is just about the top of bucket list, and not sure how that is going to look long term there. I'm still on the fence, but a MAJOR reason why they were on my list is because of the flow . . . I dont have a college degree and it is very nice to get picked up by a major without that piece of paper.

 

The lack of a degree is a problem for the better jobs today. But three years from now it may not be. Honestly though, it was one of the things I was thinking of when I said ‘less than ideal resume’ BUT in a few years majors and legacies will have to decide how important that piece of paper is. There are other resume problems I think are more important but until then, yeah, this is where flow has some value. Just don’t put much value in the flow date the recruiter tells you.

 

For all our sakes, I certainly hope you are correct. I feel working in the industry is like a slot machine. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Lately it’s been more lose than win.


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No AA Flow class for DEC.

 

Did this come as a surprise to you?