Flow is being violated for November
11-08-2017, 09:14 AM
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How’s the attrition going? I personally know of about 5-6 FO’s (roughly one year with the company) that have bailed for the likes of Allegiant, Spirit lately based on the fact they hold no stock in the flow. They think they will fare better at other carriers based on what is happening at Envoy with regard to flow the last few months.
Anyone know real numbers of people leaving?
Anyone know real numbers of people leaving?
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11-08-2017, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by havick206
How’s the attrition going? I personally know of about 5-6 FO’s (roughly one year with the company) that have bailed for the likes of Allegiant, Spirit lately based on the fact they hold no stock in the flow. They think they will fare better at other carriers based on what is happening at Envoy with regard to flow the last few months.
Anyone know real numbers of people leaving?
Anyone know real numbers of people leaving?
My guess is that anyone leaving for the likes of Alligient or Spirit has more to do with forced upgrade type issues than flow though.
Really though, real attrition numbers would be interesting. I’ve said for a while now that Envoy will lose the pilots whether they metered flow or not.
11-08-2017, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Only person I know of leaving was hired by United... never made it to recurrency here. I doubt him leaving had anything to do with flow though. ;-)
My guess is that anyone leaving for the likes of Alligient or Spirit has more to do with forced upgrade type issues than flow though.
Really though, real attrition numbers would be interesting. I’ve said for a while now that Envoy will lose the pilots whether they metered flow or not.
My guess is that anyone leaving for the likes of Alligient or Spirit has more to do with forced upgrade type issues than flow though.
Really though, real attrition numbers would be interesting. I’ve said for a while now that Envoy will lose the pilots whether they metered flow or not.
11-08-2017, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
The union puts out a new blast once a month or so and includes attrition due to flow and OAL hiring near the bottom.
What did this month’s say? Or last month’s?
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11-08-2017, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Reserve King
What did this month’s say? Or last month’s?
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Do you get the union emails? if not, check your spam folder. There is occasionally some good stuff in there.
11-08-2017, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
November's info was incomplete for some reason. It showed 138 to OAL, but didn't have total attrition. I found September's blast and it showed 330 total attrition with 95 OAL.
Do you get the union emails? if not, check your spam folder. There is occasionally some good stuff in there.
Do you get the union emails? if not, check your spam folder. There is occasionally some good stuff in there.
11-08-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Only person I know of leaving was hired by United... never made it to recurrency here. I doubt him leaving had anything to do with flow though. ;-)
My guess is that anyone leaving for the likes of Alligient or Spirit has more to do with forced upgrade type issues than flow though.
Really though, real attrition numbers would be interesting. I’ve said for a while now that Envoy will lose the pilots whether they metered flow or not.
My guess is that anyone leaving for the likes of Alligient or Spirit has more to do with forced upgrade type issues than flow though.
Really though, real attrition numbers would be interesting. I’ve said for a while now that Envoy will lose the pilots whether they metered flow or not.
11-08-2017, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
Unless you are flowing within the next year or two, waiting around is foolish. Especially if you’re a new hire. The goal should be to enhance your resume and make yourself as marketable as possible to a legacy. The exception would be the guys that aren’t marketable to a legacy, i.e. no college degree, dings on their record, poor GPA, etc...Otherwise, there is no need to wait around 8+ years to flow. Anyone hired here within the last year or so needs to stay hungry and do everything they can to build that resume.
Yeah, Envoy has a real flow. So what. You’re gonna get hired for your next job before you see it happen.
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