I came to Envoy for a few reasons. DFW base, equipment, AA affiliation/flow. That said, AA is not my end game, although that would be nice. When I hit the hiring minimums at the other majors you bet your ass my apps will be updated and all my relationships leveraged. Shoot, United is at 1000 hrs “fixed wing turbine” time right now for new FO hires. If nothing else I can look to walking on with AA in 6 yrs, longer than I’d like but it’s there. I’m too old to wait that long by choice.
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When were you hired? Even if it was in the "magical hire window" of 2015, I don't think you are going to make it in 6 years. 7.5 maybe or 8.Originally Posted by Dfwnightflyer
I came to Envoy for a few reasons. DFW base, equipment, AA affiliation/flow. That said, AA is not my end game, although that would be nice. When I hit the hiring minimums at the other majors you bet your ass my apps will be updated and all my relationships leveraged. Shoot, United is at 1000 hrs “fixed wing turbine” time right now for new FO hires. If nothing else I can look to walking on with AA in 6 yrs, longer than I’d like but it’s there. I’m too old to wait that long by choice.
Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
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Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
Oh please. There isn't a single pilot at JB, or Spirit that wouldn't take a staple to AA if offered.Originally Posted by ag386
When were you hired? Even if it was in the "magical hire window" of 2015, I don't think you are going to make it in 6 years. 7.5 maybe or 8.Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
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Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
Even at bare minimum and metered flow, those 2015 guys will be in class at AA slightly under 6 years from starting at Envoy.Originally Posted by ag386
When were you hired? Even if it was in the "magical hire window" of 2015, I don't think you are going to make it in 6 years. 7.5 maybe or 8.Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
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As I see it, 40 every 2 weeks is the most new hires the AA Schoolhouse can handle. The later part of the year this drops to 30. My guess is this gives them a little room to make up for a person who drops out here or there. (I also suspect there will be some additional training load after summer, if they stick to the plan of retiring the last of the MD-80s by the end of 2018.)
In a few years, the 920 hired in a year will be just short of what the mandatory retirements will be at AA. They will have to expand the Schoolhouse.
For reference, AA hires totaled:
2017 - 645
2016 - 519
2015 - 313
2014 - 500
2013 -20
Well, so much for 40 every class all year. Looks like only 24 in the first February class.Originally Posted by TransWorld
Excellent. I was going to post here if you had not. Hiring of 920 for the year has been validated by at least a couple of trustworthy AA pilots as being the plan.As I see it, 40 every 2 weeks is the most new hires the AA Schoolhouse can handle. The later part of the year this drops to 30. My guess is this gives them a little room to make up for a person who drops out here or there. (I also suspect there will be some additional training load after summer, if they stick to the plan of retiring the last of the MD-80s by the end of 2018.)
In a few years, the 920 hired in a year will be just short of what the mandatory retirements will be at AA. They will have to expand the Schoolhouse.
For reference, AA hires totaled:
2017 - 645
2016 - 519
2015 - 313
2014 - 500
2013 -20
I think current new hires will never see a flow. Envoy and the other WO will probably merge and get taken in to AA in less time than the flow. Regionals will look totally different very shortly.
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You may be right but even at Endeavor rates they’re saving 50% in labor rates on the stooges sitting on the pointed end.Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
I think current new hires will never see a flow. Envoy and the other WO will probably merge and get taken in to AA in less time than the flow. Regionals will look totally different very shortly.
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“Hard to believe” (coming from a 1999 hire). Always count on something dumb to happen... the retire the 767’s early, A350’s dont come, ect.. all that effects hiring... hope your right but dont base your life on it..Originally Posted by bigtime209
Even at bare minimum and metered flow, those 2015 guys will be in class at AA slightly under 6 years from starting at Envoy.
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At this point, there are just so many retirements on the horizon, I just don’t see anything short of something totally catastrophic slowing down hiring. Of course, something can always happen, but if I were a betting man I’d put my money on hiring staying steady. I hope I’m right too. Knocking on a big piece of wood right now!Originally Posted by amcnd
“Hard to believe” (coming from a 1999 hire). Always count on something dumb to happen... the retire the 767’s early, A350’s dont come, ect.. all that effects hiring... hope your right but dont base your life on it..
