New Flow Realities
01-16-2018, 01:14 PM
#122
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
Yeah, I think so, though I haven't looked up how many pilots are in each group, which might make a difference in the numbers. Also AA hasn't been able to avoid having training backlogs every 6 months or so. It seems like most of the backlogs so far have been merger related, but retirements are going to increase every year for the next 7 years or so. Every retirement is from the top, and generates quite a few training cycles as everyone moves up. It is hard to imagine them being able to keep up with training every month for years in a row. Training delays just in the last year have delayed everyone 2 months.
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01-16-2018, 02:58 PM
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New Flow Realities
Read this new Biz Journal article about the new $45K HVA bonus. Is this false information being spread to/by the media regarding flow and growth?
https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/...hoo&yptr=yahoo
“The company is also adding 54 Embraer 175 aircraft to its fleet, with options for up to 76 more.”
“Pilots can look forward to a “seamless flow-through” to Fort Worth-based parent company American Airlines (NYSE: AAL) in about six years, thanks to an agreement with the mainline, an Envoy news release states.”
https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/...hoo&yptr=yahoo
“The company is also adding 54 Embraer 175 aircraft to its fleet, with options for up to 76 more.”
“Pilots can look forward to a “seamless flow-through” to Fort Worth-based parent company American Airlines (NYSE: AAL) in about six years, thanks to an agreement with the mainline, an Envoy news release states.”
01-16-2018, 03:17 PM
#124
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
Read this new Biz Journal article about the new $45K HVA bonus. Is this false information being spread to/by the media regarding flow and growth?
https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/...hoo&yptr=yahoo
“The company is also adding 54 Embraer 175 aircraft to its fleet, with options for up to 76 more.”
“Pilots can look forward to a “seamless flow-through” to Fort Worth-based parent company American Airlines (NYSE: AAL) in about six years, thanks to an agreement with the mainline, an Envoy news release states.”
https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/...hoo&yptr=yahoo
“The company is also adding 54 Embraer 175 aircraft to its fleet, with options for up to 76 more.”
“Pilots can look forward to a “seamless flow-through” to Fort Worth-based parent company American Airlines (NYSE: AAL) in about six years, thanks to an agreement with the mainline, an Envoy news release states.”
01-16-2018, 06:51 PM
#125
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
Here is a counterpoint to my post:
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As I see it, 40 every 2 weeks is the most new hires the AA Schoolhouse can handle. The later part of the year this drops to 30. My guess is this gives them a little room to make up for a person who drops out here or there. (I also suspect there will be some additional training load after summer, if they stick to the plan of retiring the last of the MD-80s by the end of 2018.)
In a few years, the 920 hired in a year will be just short of what the mandatory retirements will be at AA. They will have to expand the Schoolhouse.
For reference, AA hires totaled:
2017 - 645
2016 - 519
2015 - 313
2014 - 500
2013 -20
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01-16-2018, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Excellent. I was going to post here if you had not. Hiring of 920 for the year has been validated by at least a couple of trustworthy AA pilots as being the plan.
As I see it, 40 every 2 weeks is the most new hires the AA Schoolhouse can handle. The later part of the year this drops to 30. My guess is this gives them a little room to make up for a person who drops out here or there. (I also suspect there will be some additional training load after summer, if they stick to the plan of retiring the last of the MD-80s by the end of 2018.)
In a few years, the 920 hired in a year will be just short of what the mandatory retirements will be at AA. They will have to expand the Schoolhouse.
For reference, AA hires totaled:
2017 - 645
2016 - 519
2015 - 313
2014 - 500
2013 -20
As I see it, 40 every 2 weeks is the most new hires the AA Schoolhouse can handle. The later part of the year this drops to 30. My guess is this gives them a little room to make up for a person who drops out here or there. (I also suspect there will be some additional training load after summer, if they stick to the plan of retiring the last of the MD-80s by the end of 2018.)
In a few years, the 920 hired in a year will be just short of what the mandatory retirements will be at AA. They will have to expand the Schoolhouse.
For reference, AA hires totaled:
2017 - 645
2016 - 519
2015 - 313
2014 - 500
2013 -20
01-16-2018, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
It doesn’t matter. They’ll just keep metering flow. Even if AA is hiring 900 you won’t be able to go because you have to wait your turn. A Commutair new hire today has a better chance of making it to AA before an Envoy new hire. They’ll be hiring anyone qualified in a year or two.
But for 2018 I agree. With a lot more hiring, W.O. being metered, and there being a limited amount of OTS Military to be fought over, for the first time there will be a significant number of OTS Civilian.
01-17-2018, 05:51 AM
#128
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
It doesn’t matter. They’ll just keep metering flow. Even if AA is hiring 900 you won’t be able to go because you have to wait your turn. A Commutair new hire today has a better chance of making it to AA before an Envoy new hire. They’ll be hiring anyone qualified in a year or two.
01-17-2018, 06:32 AM
#129
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
This is true. And any extra hiring over the point where metering kicks in is lost future seniority for flows.
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