New Flow Realities
01-29-2018 | 11:29 AM
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I came to Envoy for a few reasons. DFW base, equipment, AA affiliation/flow. That said, AA is not my end game, although that would be nice. When I hit the hiring minimums at the other majors you bet your ass my apps will be updated and all my relationships leveraged. Shoot, United is at 1000 hrs “fixed wing turbine” time right now for new FO hires. If nothing else I can look to walking on with AA in 6 yrs, longer than I’d like but it’s there. I’m too old to wait that long by choice.
01-29-2018 | 01:40 PM
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I came to Envoy for a few reasons. DFW base, equipment, AA affiliation/flow. That said, AA is not my end game, although that would be nice. When I hit the hiring minimums at the other majors you bet your ass my apps will be updated and all my relationships leveraged. Shoot, United is at 1000 hrs “fixed wing turbine” time right now for new FO hires. If nothing else I can look to walking on with AA in 6 yrs, longer than I’d like but it’s there. I’m too old to wait that long by choice.
Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
01-29-2018 | 02:32 PM
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When were you hired? Even if it was in the "magical hire window" of 2015, I don't think you are going to make it in 6 years. 7.5 maybe or 8.
Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
01-29-2018 | 03:57 PM
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When were you hired? Even if it was in the "magical hire window" of 2015, I don't think you are going to make it in 6 years. 7.5 maybe or 8.
Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
Good idea though to try and bail for other options as soon as one opens. If you do make it through, your work rules and QOL may be worse than that of a Spirit or Jetblue pilot.
01-31-2018 | 05:29 AM
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Excellent. I was going to post here if you had not. Hiring of 920 for the year has been validated by at least a couple of trustworthy AA pilots as being the plan.
As I see it, 40 every 2 weeks is the most new hires the AA Schoolhouse can handle. The later part of the year this drops to 30. My guess is this gives them a little room to make up for a person who drops out here or there. (I also suspect there will be some additional training load after summer, if they stick to the plan of retiring the last of the MD-80s by the end of 2018.)
In a few years, the 920 hired in a year will be just short of what the mandatory retirements will be at AA. They will have to expand the Schoolhouse.
For reference, AA hires totaled:
2017 - 645
2016 - 519
2015 - 313
2014 - 500
2013 -20
As I see it, 40 every 2 weeks is the most new hires the AA Schoolhouse can handle. The later part of the year this drops to 30. My guess is this gives them a little room to make up for a person who drops out here or there. (I also suspect there will be some additional training load after summer, if they stick to the plan of retiring the last of the MD-80s by the end of 2018.)
In a few years, the 920 hired in a year will be just short of what the mandatory retirements will be at AA. They will have to expand the Schoolhouse.
For reference, AA hires totaled:
2017 - 645
2016 - 519
2015 - 313
2014 - 500
2013 -20
01-31-2018 | 08:20 AM
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You may be right but even at Endeavor rates they’re saving 50% in labor rates on the stooges sitting on the pointed end.
01-31-2018 | 12:03 PM
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“Hard to believe” (coming from a 1999 hire). Always count on something dumb to happen... the retire the 767’s early, A350’s dont come, ect.. all that effects hiring... hope your right but dont base your life on it..
01-31-2018 | 12:31 PM
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At this point, there are just so many retirements on the horizon, I just don’t see anything short of something totally catastrophic slowing down hiring. Of course, something can always happen, but if I were a betting man I’d put my money on hiring staying steady. I hope I’m right too. Knocking on a big piece of wood right now!
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