Why? If you can’t hold the base then you can’t hold the base. If they are displacing first officers to captain, then they are entitled to hold whatever base they can and too bad for those below them. Why should someone senior be inconvenienced more because a hired gun DEC is taking a slot in a base that they want? The answer is that they shouldn’t and that the DEC received $45,000 in bonus money to accept his/her fate as the plug.

 

As for the CRJ issue, the list will simply slide down, pretty obvious what would happen. The CRJ's crews are mostly senior, so either they will displace over to FO on something else or will upgrade, something they may have been stalling on knowing this was coming.

As for the bumping people out of a base, well that's just the way things work in a seniority system, just like bumping someone down the list when you bid over into a new aircraft and are senior. Yeah it sucks for the person, but they will be able to bid back and one day it will be their turn to have that protection and seniority.

With all the forced upgrades, we will continue to see people moved up and down lists and potentially in/out of bases. Once the dust settles it should be more predictable. Lastly, a DEC should have known what they were getting themselves into by taking that deal. It has been warned all over this forum and they are not new to the industry, so you get what you got paid for.

 

If you read my post, you'll see that I was replying to this quote.

I wasn't talking about DEC's.

 

I'm all for the seniority system, but it's far from perfect. Imagine this scenario.

You get hired on at a regional, your seniority number in class is either determined by your SSN, age or whatever. So Joe Blow is a couple months older than you or his SSN is higher, and is one number senior to you.

Joe Blow goes to the line and bids reserve a lot because he lives in base and likes the time off. Meanwhile, you are flying every trip you can get so you can upgrade as soon as possible. You get the required hours to upgrade to CA and do so, meanwhile Joe Blow only has 500 hrs. Joe Blow finally gets the remaining time to upgrade a year later and upgrades to CA, and bumps you from your base, although you've been a CA for a year now, and busted your ass to get there. Same class, upgraded much earlier, but still get screwed.

 

Y’all do realize that you can only be bumped from your base if someone senior to you displaces their way into that base. Either through the 15.G.4 forced upgrade or their previous status disappearing (CRJ pilots somewhere in the future), not if they suddenly decide to upgrade voluntarily.

 

Correct. Most of the uogrades are 15.G.4 though.

That’s being said the forced upgrades should subside over the next 12 months in theory.

 

How many CRJs left in the fleet?

 

That's the system we all signed up for. It sucks, but I don't have tons of sympathy for someone who will get it back in the next vacancy.

I do feel bad and very sympathetic for people who went to an airline for a base for it to close and now they have to make a decision to move or start over with someone else.

 

That pilot is potentially getting screwed too, because the only way the senior pilot would displace a junior pilot is if they get displaced themselves. So just because they in the base they can hold doesn't mean they aren't like wise being screwed. That's the envoy way nowadays.

Now in a regular system where the pay disparity between FO and captain actually makes it worth while to upgrade and sacrifice QOL. That junior pilot could get awarded a seat that isn't available again for months or a year. The senior pilot can't then jump into that seat until there is a vacancy for it and likewise no displacements unless a displacement bid is run. So busting your hump to upgrade could pay off even more. But thanks to this FO displacement crap instead of better pay we can't rely on that. Envoy your day.

 

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