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05-08-2018, 08:57 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 217
As a 600 hr FO, I feel like I’m giving up the most only to gain the least. The protected pilots get more flow by giving up nothing. None of the concessions will affect a protected pilot. Good for them I guess but not at the expense of everyone who is junior.
05-08-2018, 08:59 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Pawn
Posts: 1,138
Burn it down.
They can now force you as a reserve pilot with over 800 hours to fly by displacing a lineholder. The union completely sold the first officers out on this. Not surprising. The agreement will move SP’s flow up a month.
They can now force you as a reserve pilot with over 800 hours to fly by displacing a lineholder. The union completely sold the first officers out on this. Not surprising. The agreement will move SP’s flow up a month.
05-08-2018, 09:00 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 224
In an effort to secure more flow slots for our oft overlooked Protected Pilots and help mitigate delays getting our First Officers into the left seat, the First Officer Advancement Program will allow the company to take reserve FOs with 800-949.99 hours at the end of the ATTOT window and add available flying onto the FO's scheduled reserve days.
05-08-2018, 09:04 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Originally Posted by mketch11
As a 600 hr FO, I feel like I’m giving up the most only to gain the least. The protected pilots get more flow by giving up nothing. None of the concessions will affect a protected pilot. Good for them I guess but not at the expense of everyone who is junior.
05-08-2018, 09:04 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: E-175 CA
Posts: 339
As a CA upgrade currently in training, I just got a pay raise and a flow date several months sooner (post-DOS hire). Also, since I now will get 20 extra hours of IOE, I’ll be spending less time in MIA after training before I assume DCE status in July, and will be able to hold DCL that much sooner and spend less time on reserve when I get there. This amounts to zero negatives for me, since I thought the lesser of 25 or 50% a month was the case already.
05-08-2018, 09:09 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 217
In our conversations with many FOs who sit at the cusp of their 1000 hours, the overwhelming consensus was that they wanted to get their flight time and upgrade as soon as possible.
05-08-2018, 09:13 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Originally Posted by mketch11
This is BS. Any FO with 800hrs 121 at envoy can be off of reserve if they want unless they are prior 121. This means that all FOs who are choosing to be on reserve who aren’t prior 121, are probably doing it to avoid flying. Saying the “overwhelming consensus” is saying that all those FOs choosing to be on reserve really want to get flight time as quick as possible. Really?
05-08-2018, 09:20 AM
#18
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Burn it down.
They can now force you as a reserve pilot with over 800 hours to fly by displacing a lineholder. The union completely sold the first officers out on this. Not surprising. The agreement will move SP’s flow up a month.
They can now force you as a reserve pilot with over 800 hours to fly by displacing a lineholder. The union completely sold the first officers out on this. Not surprising. The agreement will move SP’s flow up a month.
I have been saying this continually that at Envoy we have winners and losers. It sucks that this time you drew the short straw.
05-08-2018, 09:20 AM
#19
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Burn it down.
They can now force you as a reserve pilot with over 800 hours to fly by displacing a lineholder. The union completely sold the first officers out on this. Not surprising. The agreement will move SP’s flow up a month.
They can now force you as a reserve pilot with over 800 hours to fly by displacing a lineholder. The union completely sold the first officers out on this. Not surprising. The agreement will move SP’s flow up a month.
Honestly folks.... they paid their dues to save this company. Lost CA wages, lost flying and flow, lost VACATION, this is nothing! Compared to what they endured to keep this company afloat and where it is today.
So I’m not whining. I have a lot to be grateful for. LONG-TERM thinking.
05-08-2018, 09:21 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 10
Originally Posted by Smutter
I thought the same thing, every fo I fly with on rsv, can hold a line, but don't want to for obvious reasons
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