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05-08-2018, 09:43 AM

#31

NoValueAviator

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They're going to displace FO's that only recently got awarded a line, not ones with 750 hours for others with 800 hours.

05-08-2018, 09:47 AM

#32

mketch11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wiz5422

You received your sign on bonus at the expense of everyone senior to you....most of the remainder of the protected pilots have been screwed over by the company for the past 2 years while all the new hires have cashed in with big bonuses, short reserve time and quick upgrades. Be thankful you didn't have to start out at $27 an hour, 3 years reserve, 8 year upgrade, and multiple base closures and displacements.

Now you get to upgrade and make CA pay day 1, and flow faster to AA.

Isn’t adding bonuses for new hires different than forcing concessions on the bottom of the seniority list in order to benefit the top of the list? If the protected pilots had to take a pay cut in order to subsidize the new hire bonuses then I’ll buy that argument. Honestly, all they had to do was negotiate better flow for the “whole” pilot group and I would have been happy to be forced to upgrade.

05-08-2018, 09:53 AM

#33

GCPhoenix

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Congrats, we gave up all of our leverage for maybe 2-3 months faster flow.

05-08-2018, 09:55 AM

#34

ENH017

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Here's some info from the email for those outside looking in

05-08-2018, 10:03 AM

#35

Tellheritwasntu

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Here’s a question. Let’s say I’m awarded a CA slot on the next vacancy and I start getting captain pay. Do I still receive fo retention bonuses if it takes me anothe 3 months to complete training?

05-08-2018, 10:05 AM

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Bigpimppilot

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So now it’s “up to the company” and not contractual to send 50%

05-08-2018, 10:14 AM

#37

wiz5422

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So previously if AA hired 40 a month we flowed 25

Now if AA hire 40 a month we flow 20?

Am I reading that correctly.

05-08-2018, 10:16 AM

#38

wiz5422

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Originally Posted by mketch11

We did take a pay cut. Remember the bankruptcy contract and them missing away 1000 of pilots and then had to find a way to get new hires here. The concessions we took paid for the bonues.

05-08-2018, 10:17 AM

#39

SkylineAviation

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wiz5422

So previously if AA hired 40 a month we flowed 25

Now if AA hire 40 a month we flow 20?

Am I reading that correctly.

No, they’d flow 29. Not to mention the remedy

05-08-2018, 10:19 AM

#40

AZPilotMike

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Originally Posted by SkylineAviation

No, they’d flow 29. Not to mention the remedy

Protected pilots yes, the rest no.

In addition, am I reading that they will allow FO’s to bid for upgrade at 950 hours now? I only say that because of the wording stating they will displace pilots to get FO’s from 800-949. I was under the impression we could even bid for upgrade until 1000 hours. Of course I could be just misreading that part.

Last edited by AZPilotMike; 05-08-2018 at 10:31 AM.