goldenbear1

I am a first officer that just started reserve at LGA. Does anyone know when the unlimited commuter hotels are effective? In addition, it also states that they are effective until a base transfer or 3 months whichever occurs first. Does that base transfer mean that you were awarded a base or actually moving to another base?

Pedro4President

Woah!!!! Didn't read all that info. A12 passes and unlimited commuter hotels. Lol. Alright. After reading that then I'd say it's a pretty fair deal all around. Granted it's not going to completely make up for everything but for forced upgrades but I think it puts us closer to getting past the forced upgrades.

AZPilotMike

Yeah I have gone back and read the additional info as well and it really is a pretty fair deal. While I would have loved to lock in higher flow numbers for the non protected pilots the rest is pretty solid.

highfarfast

Yeah, it’s basically home based TDY for the first three months of those based in LGA. I like it but think it should last all the way until someone is able to bit out of it if it was due to a forced upgrade.

Side note, with unlimited commuter hotels and A12 travel from anywhere in the lower 48, I don’t know why more commuters don’t just bid for home based TDY when it’s offered... seniority in the TDY base usually yields a better schedule ta’boot.

By the way, for those that have not done home based TDY, A12 is not ‘possitive space’. Basically gaurantees you’re ahead of all D1s. When I did home based TDY, there were times I could get a confirmed seat ahead of time with A12, but usually no, even if the travel planner showed availability... so lower than an A3.

flysooner9

Should be A1’s and last until you leave LGA not just 3 months.

Pedro4President

And Endeavor pay rates with an AA seniority number.

I think it can always be a bit better but 99.9% of the time an A3/a12 is just as good as an a1. And I agree it should be until they are able to bid out of LGA.

havick206

Aren’t you going to PDT?

havick206

I got the same message same situation except I’m 145 FO. My HI10 hasn’t changed though so who knows what’s going on.

mketch11

If the argument is that this was to settle the grievances for only the protected pilots, then why did my QOL get traded away? If I give something away I should get something back in this climate.
My point is, we finally had leverage and now it’s gone for more benefit to the company than the pilots. The only reason the company came to the negotiating table is because they believed that that pilots had areasonable argument as to the flow violations. Upper hand pilots. Secondly, the company is in desperate need of capatains regardless, upper hand pilots. Here are the pros. 1) The protected pilots get anywhere from 0 to 3.5 months less time to flow. 2) HVAs and get 3 months of home based tdy if they get put in New York along with the 45k (non HVAs should be able to bid to other bases if they want so this hardly affects them) 3) Captain upgrades get 3 months pay at captain rates (hardly a pro since the company is saving that much plus more not paying out retention bonuses)
Cons: 1) forced upgrades now require 50 less hours. 2) must be a captain to flow. 3) FOs who try to avoid flying by bidding reserve are forced to fly out of seniority order which is a fundamental change in the whole idea of why one bids reserve. 4) the protected pilots who have already flowed to AA and were violated get nothing. 5) the company now has an increased ability to attract HVAs which zaps any leverage the pilot group may have had to negotiate for increased captain pay (which hurts the lifers who have gained nothing by this LOA)
For those saying this was a fair deal I sincerely doubt that in the long term. Like getting 3 months of increased pay and QOL instead of 8 years of higher wages.

AcesHigh

Where in the fineprint did it say must be a Captain to flow?