Originally Posted by highfarfast

Email also said the displacements will happen before ATTOT opens and those displaced are not subject to reasignment. There really hasn’t been much available at ATTOT for a while.

OT after that will still be fair game for those that want it. Still curious to find out if those displaced will be able to pick up OT on the days they were displaced AND whether it’s premium or not.

Originally Posted by mketch11

If the argument is that this was to settle the grievances for only the protected pilots, then why did my QOL get traded away? If I give something away I should get something back in this climate.
My point is, we finally had leverage and now it’s gone for more benefit to the company than the pilots. The only reason the company came to the negotiating table is because they believed that that pilots had areasonable argument as to the flow violations. Upper hand pilots. Secondly, the company is in desperate need of capatains regardless, upper hand pilots. Here are the pros. 1) The protected pilots get anywhere from 0 to 3.5 months less time to flow. 2) HVAs and get 3 months of home based tdy if they get put in New York along with the 45k (non HVAs should be able to bid to other bases if they want so this hardly affects them) 3) Captain upgrades get 3 months pay at captain rates (hardly a pro since the company is saving that much plus more not paying out retention bonuses)
Cons: 1) forced upgrades now require 50 less hours. 2) must be a captain to flow. 3) FOs who try to avoid flying by bidding reserve are forced to fly out of seniority order which is a fundamental change in the whole idea of why one bids reserve. 4) the protected pilots who have already flowed to AA and were violated get nothing. 5) the company now has an increased ability to attract HVAs which zaps any leverage the pilot group may have had to negotiate for increased captain pay (which hurts the lifers who have gained nothing by this LOA)
For those saying this was a fair deal I sincerely doubt that in the long term. Like getting 3 months of increased pay and QOL instead of 8 years of higher wages.

Originally Posted by Dekal5

Sam when do you flow again?

Originally Posted by wiz5422

It says AFTER ATTOT window.

Originally Posted by Dekal5

Agreed. I think we did not get a fair shake. We have been waiting for so long for the union to do something but it seems like the company got exactly what they wanted and what did we really get in return? Apart from putting the protected pilot flow back on track, we did not get a something that benefits the pilot group as a whole. I’m glad LGA pilots are getting some help for the first 3 months which improves their QOL but that’s about it. Pay? It is great that now pilots get CA pay as soon as they are awarded a CA bid but that is money the company was going to pay regardless in retention bonuses. The union screwed FO’s, which have the RIGHT to sit on rsv to fly less, in order please the company and their staffing needs. I remember during the crew room visits how the union were supposedly against forced upgrades but here they are facilitating things for the company once again while throwing FO’s on rsv under the bus. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but a fair deal in this pilot climate? If you are a pilot and think that you got a W with these LOA’s, well good for you… but have you guys seen what the other leading regionals are doing? Sam when do you flow again?

Originally Posted by havick206

I see the brains trust is put in full force today.

Screw you havick. I was getting the info 2nd hand and made that pretty clear. A little busy today making dreams come true for 76 people at a time.

For their benefit and guys lower on seniority, I look forward to the PP’s being gone. They worked for it and deserve the flow in the coming months but it has been a divisive tool inserted in the seniority list. While the PP and others bash the NH for getting cash and wages and sounding indignant, I won’t miss the stories of walking 6 miles in the snow to get to school.

Originally Posted by havick206

I see the brains trust is put in full force today.

Originally Posted by ytumama

So when does all this start? Do we have to vote on it?

Originally Posted by mketch11

I may be way off base here, but it feels like these LOAs benefit (second to the company) those with one foot out of the door to AA, which I assume are a large portion on the folks who came up with this deal.