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05-08-2018, 06:00 PM
#101
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by mdot
It's sort of like a bell curve. The red circled pilots got to keep their compensation. The new hires get bonuses all day long. Plus immediate upgrade. The PPs got screwed to start out with. Concessionary contract, vacation stolen. And now finally we get something positive (that happens to benefit EVERYONE on property) and people are *****ing. It's not surprising obviously, but it's unfortunate.
And just because it’s positive doesn’t make it right. Like we are supposed to be happy about getting crumbs when we could have had a whole meal? Maybe this group is just too accustomed to being shat on that anything positive must be praised regardless of what is given up in the long term.
05-08-2018, 06:02 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,659
Originally Posted by mdot
Thank you. This is the post to end this thread.
With that said I am happy for the PP’s.
05-08-2018, 06:10 PM
#103
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
I'm relieved to see negotiations concluded for now without slowing the flow for other than protected pilots. Nothing here is going to get more people in the door either, which will shrink classes once the RTP and cadet pipelines clear out, and provide more leverage when the literally thousands of '16-'17 hires want to upgrade and need FOs to fly with.
05-08-2018, 06:30 PM
#105
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Originally Posted by mketch11
How does it benefit the lifers?
And just because it’s positive doesn’t make it right. Like we are supposed to be happy about getting crumbs when we could have had a whole meal? Maybe this group is just too accustomed to being shat on that anything positive must be praised regardless of what is given up in the long term.
And just because it’s positive doesn’t make it right. Like we are supposed to be happy about getting crumbs when we could have had a whole meal? Maybe this group is just too accustomed to being shat on that anything positive must be praised regardless of what is given up in the long term.
The only thing that ****es me off about this loa is the forced flying of higher time FOs to push them to a 1000 hours. This was a direct attack on them and their QOL. I'm shocked by that aspect of the loa.
05-08-2018, 06:39 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 12
With being here 2 years and seeing double the seniority behind me, it is interesting the Protected Pilots are getting so much at the expense of over half the pilots on the roster. I realize a lot of the MEC is about to flow and about time to clear the cobwebs but with well over half the list here less than 2 years i dont want to hear about the protected pilots 8 years on reserve or any other violins they wanna play. I want pay and qol, irregardless of them and the contract they all voted in thats a complete joke.
05-08-2018, 08:00 PM
#108
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 141
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Wait were you wanting to burn it down when as a NH you got a 20k bonus plus base salary increases when The protected pilots got hardly anything. Your increase in compensation was 20x more than the protected pilots.
I have been saying this continually that at Envoy we have winners and losers. It sucks that this time you drew the short straw.
I have been saying this continually that at Envoy we have winners and losers. It sucks that this time you drew the short straw.
Totally agree with this view point of yours Pedro4President.
I’m not a PP but to me, they deserve any gains they can get given the beatings they took. Think of the guys that voted NO and essentially got ran over by their peers.
NH (within the last two years) shouldn’t even be whining about these improvements announced today. Again, there will be winners and losers, there will likely not be a time when everybody wins (unless you’re living that suburban life where everyone gets a medal).
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05-08-2018, 08:07 PM
#109
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Posts: 141
Originally Posted by dothisbeasa
Maybe instead of screwing the majority of the pilot group over for 4 more flow slots they could have said no, give some QOL and a pay raise and then they’red be a long line out the door to be here, and they could up the flow organically.
People, please be realistic. Firstly, the company had no compelling reason to come to the table. This could have gone to arbitration and well 18 months later we would have seen some minuscule gain. In the company eyes, there’s no real problem other than, a CA shortage. Attrition is not a true issue despite what people may allege on these forums, people are staying here and the company knows that. Until there’s no longer a line of people begging for an interview here, we likely won’t see the changes in pay you’re advocating for. An improvement in flow furthers the company’s narrative for recruiting -FLOW-
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05-08-2018, 08:12 PM
#110
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Posts: 141
Originally Posted by highfarfast
I m a 600 hourish FO that likes the new rules regarding fo flying. I dont bid reserve but i do value paid time with my family more than speeding to 1000 hours.
The one question i dont see answered, if i m displaced under this provision, can i pick up ot at premium on those days?
Regarding the flow settlement... Feel like we could have gotten more but i m not losing sleep over it. Still not expecting to wait arround for flow.
The one question i dont see answered, if i m displaced under this provision, can i pick up ot at premium on those days?
Regarding the flow settlement... Feel like we could have gotten more but i m not losing sleep over it. Still not expecting to wait arround for flow.
Yes. The new LOA will allow the pick up of OT when being displaced for the reason of First Officer Advancement Program. You also cannot be reassigned therefore, you can sit at home on your behind and do nothing during the displacement period all while being payed as if you worked the trip.
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