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05-09-2018, 05:45 AM
#141
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
Originally Posted by Pat2389
I saw this question several pages back but not sure anybody knew. As a point of clarification...if you were already awarded the CA upgrade, does the CA pay rate take affect from the date of the agreement, or not until the next bid? Thanks.
In the meantime this loa does not negate the street ca grievance currently in.
05-09-2018, 06:12 AM
#143
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 70
I’m happy for a 3-5 month bump in my flow date. ****ty that I can’t even hide on reserve now so I’m not forced to upgrade. Happy that at least, when they send my ass to lagarbage I get hotels. Still a ****ty two leg commute but I guess the plaza and A12 passes aren’t SOO bad. But I get some more money once I’m awarded CA. Not terrible. Still think that for the amount leverage we had, this fell short.
Can everyone stop whining about how the PPs were crapped on. Sorry the NHs don’t get to experience the same stuff you did, but that’s because most of them were still in high school. Everyone in this industry knows it’s all a timing game. That’s why those 200 or so lifers on the top of seniority list didn’t go to dAAdy. Cause it was a different time. You guys came in at a bad time. I mean we are talking 5years post 9/11. Don’t tell me you didn’t think it would have a been a crap ride. Some of you probably are the same ones that got hired with 300 hrs. And in ten years when you’re a 777 capt and legislators change the 1500hr rule, you’ll be sitting pretty. It’s all timing and you guys just happened to miss the mark.
Can everyone stop whining about how the PPs were crapped on. Sorry the NHs don’t get to experience the same stuff you did, but that’s because most of them were still in high school. Everyone in this industry knows it’s all a timing game. That’s why those 200 or so lifers on the top of seniority list didn’t go to dAAdy. Cause it was a different time. You guys came in at a bad time. I mean we are talking 5years post 9/11. Don’t tell me you didn’t think it would have a been a crap ride. Some of you probably are the same ones that got hired with 300 hrs. And in ten years when you’re a 777 capt and legislators change the 1500hr rule, you’ll be sitting pretty. It’s all timing and you guys just happened to miss the mark.
05-09-2018, 06:20 AM
#144
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 502
Originally Posted by Pat2389
I got an answer from the negotiating committee. No FO already awarded CA will receive CA pay until the NEXT bid.
05-09-2018, 06:24 AM
#145
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
Originally Posted by Pat2389
I got an answer from the negotiating committee. No FO already awarded CA will receive CA pay until the NEXT bid.
05-09-2018, 06:26 AM
#146
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
Originally Posted by fatman
I’m happy for a 3-5 month bump in my flow date. ****ty that I can’t even hide on reserve now so I’m not forced to upgrade. Happy that at least, when they send my ass to lagarbage I get hotels. Still a ****ty two leg commute but I guess the plaza and A12 passes aren’t SOO bad. But I get some more money once I’m awarded CA. Not terrible. Still think that for the amount leverage we had, this fell short.
Can everyone stop whining about how the PPs were crapped on. Sorry the NHs don’t get to experience the same stuff you did, but that’s because most of them were still in high school. Everyone in this industry knows it’s all a timing game. That’s why those 200 or so lifers on the top of seniority list didn’t go to dAAdy. Cause it was a different time. You guys came in at a bad time. I mean we are talking 5years post 9/11. Don’t tell me you didn’t think it would have a been a crap ride. Some of you probably are the same ones that got hired with 300 hrs. And in ten years when you’re a 777 capt and legislators change the 1500hr rule, you’ll be sitting pretty. It’s all timing and you guys just happened to miss the mark.
Can everyone stop whining about how the PPs were crapped on. Sorry the NHs don’t get to experience the same stuff you did, but that’s because most of them were still in high school. Everyone in this industry knows it’s all a timing game. That’s why those 200 or so lifers on the top of seniority list didn’t go to dAAdy. Cause it was a different time. You guys came in at a bad time. I mean we are talking 5years post 9/11. Don’t tell me you didn’t think it would have a been a crap ride. Some of you probably are the same ones that got hired with 300 hrs. And in ten years when you’re a 777 capt and legislators change the 1500hr rule, you’ll be sitting pretty. It’s all timing and you guys just happened to miss the mark.
05-09-2018, 06:29 AM
#147
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by mketch11
I saw 3-4, and I’m not sure it’s a gain if it’s correcting a flow violation, it should have been that way already. More of a Nuetral outcome on that minus the guys who already left who were hosed.
You sound like a child.
05-09-2018, 06:31 AM
#148
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
There is one group that is harmed by these LOAs. The pilots that are about 700-950 that don't want to upgrade out of base. Everyone else it's a win all around. More CAs on the list means more FOs flying to build time. More CAs on the list means other CAs relative seniority increases and more lines to choose from. More flow NOW benefits everyone that intends to flow.
05-09-2018, 06:41 AM
#149
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 502
Originally Posted by ytumama
Looks like it starts for everybody once the bid is in. Is there a way to check your pay rate?
05-09-2018, 07:53 AM
#150
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 62
Originally Posted by uavking
Classy. There’s a whole batch of guys who’ll be sitting in class getting FO pay when they could have been getting CA pay had that section of the LOA been worded better...
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