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05-09-2018, 08:12 AM
#154
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,228
Flow should be a plan B, not a plan A like most here are thinking.
PP are holding for Flow, because they are close to go. Most are in the early 30s and will have a great career. When the last Envoy NH flow will be around 3,000-5,000 numbers below the last PP. Those saying the PP had bad timing are wrong. Maybe a 23yr old will flow at 28-29, but will follow that PP for around 25-30 yrs.
28 + 30 = 58 before you get that PP position in AA.
Any new hire should be flying their butt off, get the upgrade and start looking for a job somewhere else. Anyone hiding on reserve is doing it wrong.
PP are holding for Flow, because they are close to go. Most are in the early 30s and will have a great career. When the last Envoy NH flow will be around 3,000-5,000 numbers below the last PP. Those saying the PP had bad timing are wrong. Maybe a 23yr old will flow at 28-29, but will follow that PP for around 25-30 yrs.
28 + 30 = 58 before you get that PP position in AA.
Any new hire should be flying their butt off, get the upgrade and start looking for a job somewhere else. Anyone hiding on reserve is doing it wrong.
05-09-2018, 08:26 AM
#156
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 24
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
There is one group that is harmed by these LOAs. The pilots that are about 700-950 that don't want to upgrade out of base. Everyone else it's a win all around. More CAs on the list means more FOs flying to build time. More CAs on the list means other CAs relative seniority increases and more lines to choose from. More flow NOW benefits everyone that intends to flow.
05-09-2018, 09:18 AM
#157
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 300
In my opinion, the settlement and LOAs were a pragmatic surrender. I was disappointed at how weak the remedy was, as an additional 4 flows/month is not enough. The pattern of the company violating the contract continues.
Everyone junior to a flowing pilot will benefit from slightly accelerated flow and moving up in seniority and less stagnation (This helps even junior lifers, but not the senior lifers).
I know pilots who have waited over a year from captain award to receiving captain pay, due to no fault of their own. They were at the mercy of the company. I am glad this was remedied for the new guys so they will have it better than those before them.
There is a lot of bickering on this forum. It's great to be angry, but we need pilot unity. THE UNION IS ONLY AS STRONG AS ITS MEMBERS. If you are angry or want to make things better in the future, PLEASE GET INVOLVED. Attend union meetings. Vote in ALL UNION ELECTIONS, no matter how minor you think they are. Instead of whining about the guys who have "one foot out the door," get involved and run in the next election for your local LEC status rep position (once you are off probation). Start a recall of your reps if you think you can do it better. Contact your reps and direct them to recall the negotiating committee. Volunteer for the Strategic Planning Committee. Volunteer for the negotiating committee. The union especially needs junior pilots who will likely be around for the next 3-10 years.
I would love to see all this bickering and anger redirected into productive union activity.
Everyone junior to a flowing pilot will benefit from slightly accelerated flow and moving up in seniority and less stagnation (This helps even junior lifers, but not the senior lifers).
I know pilots who have waited over a year from captain award to receiving captain pay, due to no fault of their own. They were at the mercy of the company. I am glad this was remedied for the new guys so they will have it better than those before them.
There is a lot of bickering on this forum. It's great to be angry, but we need pilot unity. THE UNION IS ONLY AS STRONG AS ITS MEMBERS. If you are angry or want to make things better in the future, PLEASE GET INVOLVED. Attend union meetings. Vote in ALL UNION ELECTIONS, no matter how minor you think they are. Instead of whining about the guys who have "one foot out the door," get involved and run in the next election for your local LEC status rep position (once you are off probation). Start a recall of your reps if you think you can do it better. Contact your reps and direct them to recall the negotiating committee. Volunteer for the Strategic Planning Committee. Volunteer for the negotiating committee. The union especially needs junior pilots who will likely be around for the next 3-10 years.
I would love to see all this bickering and anger redirected into productive union activity.
05-09-2018, 09:21 AM
#158
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 25
Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
There is a lot of bickering on this forum. It's great to be angry, but we need pilot unity. THE UNION IS ONLY AS STRONG AS ITS MEMBERS. If you are angry or want to make things better in the future, PLEASE GET INVOLVED. Attend union meetings. Vote in ALL UNION ELECTIONS, no matter how minor you think they are. Instead of whining about the guys who have "one foot out the door," get involved and run in the next election for your local LEC status rep position (once you are off probation). Start a recall of your reps if you think you can do it better. Contact your reps and direct them to recall the negotiating committee. Volunteer for the Strategic Planning Committee. Volunteer for the negotiating committee. The union especially needs junior pilots who will likely be around for the next 3-10 years.
05-09-2018, 09:24 AM
#159
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 300
Originally Posted by Cpt Rex Kramer
Give me a break. The union works for the company. I want my dues back.
If you don't like the current union leadership, organize a recall campaign.
05-09-2018, 10:04 AM
#160
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: 787
Posts: 461
Originally Posted by Pat2389
I got an answer from the negotiating committee. No FO already awarded CA will receive CA pay until the NEXT bid.
I emailed travel, and am awaiting their guidance on how to book A12s, where we can confirm weather E-Space is or is not available. Hopefully this means they just turn on the ‘business travel’ functionality on the NRTP.
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