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iv. Any pilot awarded a Standing Bid upgrade to Captain shall be subject to a twenty-four month training freeze, in accordance with section 15.J.1.a.

Maybe ill just wait to be displaced, or proffer to displace.

 

As unofficial chairman of the BBU first order of business is purchasing the worlds smallest violin to play as we read these sob stories from our dear PP. We are sorry you had to go through those trying times, and we understand many of you still suffer from the mental anguish of that terrible decade.

However, the 30 strong BBU members will take a stand, and make our voices hear on this forum. We want to stay home and get paid! We will only fly the biggest and shiniest jets! We will not commute to LaGarbage! When we get to that negotiating table we will say “give us endeavor rates, or give us better!”

 

Hahahahaha nice. And then you will go back to the line, and do nothing like the good kids you are when everyone laughs in your face. You'll at least get good at filling out grievances and get used to losing said grievances even when they are won.

 

I’m just not hip to the idea that we are ok with abrogating seniority and it’s benefits. Who is anyone to take away my contractual right to bid rsv when staffing is good sit at home?

 

Well you’ve only been in this airline for a year, you NEED to pay your Dues! (According to some of the grumpier old guys here)

 

Staffing is NOT good. You're missing the forest for the trees. Sure maybe FO staffing is bloated. But CA staffing will be tight for the foreseeable future. That means "sitting at home" is a short-lived "benefit" and will implode upon itself if we can't staff the flying with CAs.

Either we furlough FOs, or stop flowing CAs. Otherwise the FO list grows while the CA list shrinks and this place fails to function. Street CAs helps, but it's not enough. And the whole idea that we're putting guys brand new to our operation directly into the left seat, while we have people with at least a decent amount of experience already here who are trying to avoid upgrading, is a bit counterintuitive for safety's sake.

Bottom line: there's absolutely nothing wrong with working the contract to improve personal QOL. Luckily a small tweak has been made that will benefit EVERYONE here. We need CAs or this whole place falls apart.

 

No, it sounds like you and Sam both like to help the company find their way out of a box they put themselves into. Don’t tell them how to manage and don’t sell your coworkers down the road. Have you considered any management positions.

Quick history lesson. Puerto Rico had upgrades at least 6 months shorter than the jet back in the day bc people didn’t want to go to the rock.

 

Whatever you do, strongly encourage your union reps to tell the company that the “we were up till two in the morning hammering out the details of the final language and yea, there’s some typos and verbiage issues but we sat across the table eye-to-eye and shook hands and promised and...”.

Same ole shtuff, same ole game. Make them have (as much as possible) accurate final language or include examples in the final language that demonstrates the intent. Don’t rush to vote.

Now for a brief rant: I was a 10 yr FO (not by choice, but I would have probably waited 2~3 years, just me), sat six years on various reserves, made $19k my first year, flew with captains that upgraded in six months (and before I got hired) and waited 16 years to flow (first 14yrs because no one was hiring except LCC). I chose to be at eagle just like you young spoiled whipper-snappers did. In short quit yer bi****n. Ok, rant over.

But back to the main point, insist on accurate language or adding supporting statements/examples within the amendment that outlines the intent.

 

"Don't sell your coworkers down the road", son, if that isn't the most hypocritical statement I've read all day! So the whole pilot group should suffer, so that 30 or so whinny little Hillary voters don't have to work for thier pay, or upgrade as expected???

 

1) You fail to understand, that on some level, the box you speak of is one which we are also in. How we got there, we'd probably agree. How we get out, I'm okay with "helping" the company if it helps us.

2) The rock saw new-hire pilots headed that way even as they knew the ATR would go away. They were typed on a dying fleet and everyone knew it. It was embarrassing. But I don't know what your point is by bringing this up.

3) Even if anyone tried to tell them how to manage (we have), they wouldn't listen. No one is being sold down the road. If you actually think the 800-950hr FO timebuilding deal (for lack of a better term) is selling anyone down the road, you're clearly hyperfocused on absolute minutiae and short-term "QOL" for about 30 FOs.