Our current “Rsv”contractual rights suck anyways.

 

Well pops I’m not your son and those whippersnappers almost outnumber us on the top of the list. You can choose to denegrate them and take away their qol but you have to be ready for the swing of the pendulum

 

Hahahahaha. Swing of the pendulum GTFOH. Seniority is life son. "If you ain't first, you're last". If you were hired as a protected pilot you wouldnt have these problems.

 

I'm not denegrating anyone there, Bigdaddy, you're missing the point. They can bid reserve and fly as little as they want, as long as it's wasn't hurting the rest of the pilot group. But now it is! The company needs them to upgrade. Thier refusal to do so, while CA seats are severily understaffed hurts the whole pilot group. I illustrated in another post that the company was going to "get thiers" one way or another. If the pilots refuse to cooperate and do thier job, then we all end up with another "pre-assigned RAP" type unilateral move by the company, where everyone is punished and no one gains. (Refer to that post, if you don't understand how pre-assigned RAPS came about). Envoy WILL get someone to fill those seats, period. You think they'd just drop Tens of Millions of dollars in revenue seat miles, just because xx amount of people don't want to upgrade? Those left seats have to be filled with somebody, and they will be filled with the unfortunate ones that just happen to fall at the bottom of the seniority list. That's the way seniority works, not just at Envoy, but at any airline. You know that.
Pendilum swing??? The pendilum has swung and hit all of us, several times. Some of us more than others. It sucks, and I don't wish that striking blow on anyone. At least this time it was padded. Some take it better than others. Some of us weathered the blows, others decided to move on. The choice is thiers.

 

Would it change your opinion if you knew I was a protected pilot and not a millennial. What I’m trying to say is that if the less informed guys from the last 2 years feel like you fu.ked them then they will have no emotional problem fu.cking you over later. Sam should be all over this issue with a follow up email explaining his thought process. What I’m trying to say is that this move has divided the group more. Even if you don’t believe it should have

 

I DO agree with you there. The sad part here is that this is now fracturing the pilot group, like you said. "The Haves and the Have Not's". I agree, We're fighting amongst ourselves, where the <2 yr FO's feel that the PP's threw them under the bus, and we did NOT. Sam, or ALPA in general, would do well to explain the 'come abouts' of this LOA.
As far as trying to explain that this LOA only makes an even compromise, (and I hesitate to even say that...), we have tried to explain, (without sounding like an old codger complaining about their walk uphill both ways, barefoot in the snow), where we're coming from. And why the LOA, while not perfect, actually helps everyone, including them. But they don't want to hear it. They seem to only play the victim role.
If this continues, watch the company play the fractured pilot group against each other.
As a PP, you KNOW exactly what I'm talking about. So what do you suggest we, (PP's who are not MEC officers) do?

 

Perhaps not talking down to the bottom half of the list is a good start. It’s almost like the company knew the pilot group would be fractured by this. https://youtu.be/PyQuPILrBCk

https://youtu.be/PyQuPILrBCk

 

The group is not fractured. There are a hand full of vocal pilots that are unhappy. If you can’t see that this is a win for everyone on property than I urge you to get involved with ALPA and be the change you wish to see. There will be more wins for us going forward. Times are good. Enjoy the ride. Unfortunately, in this business displacements are always a possibility, now you get A passes and unlimited hotels🙂

 

A12 'Positive' travel? To NCE? Why not A3 or even A1? Have fun getting bumped.

 

It's like giving some people a bag of gold bars, and they complain how heavy it is.
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