I think we have to understand something here about the new LOA's...
This was not a negotiation looking for better flow, pay,reserve or qol. We had two grievances in place, one regarding flow violation for the protected pilots and another for contract violation regarding the DEC...
In regards to the flow, if you are not a PP then this grievance was not meant to help you in any way so, any improvement that you may have gotten with this then if I were you I would take it as a win. The Union had to give something small that only affects a few for a small period of time in order to help 580 pilots. The company needed more captains and this was the solution the union came up with, im sorry for the guys with 800+hrs, you knew it was just a matter of time your number came up!!!
In regards to the DEC, if you are a captain already or you are not near the upgrade requirement then this grivence was not meant for you. It doesn't affect you or help you in any way.
If I were you guys I would take it for what this is, its a settlement between the company and the union to drop the grivances. its not and should not be seen as an attempt of a contract improvement, that's why we dont get to vote! Hopefully that will come by the end of the year...

 

I don’t know, maybe it is just me, but a shortage of Captains sounds like a pretty big problem. One brought on by the company running off people several years ago, not keeping up with pay and work rules that create QOL issues.

I agree that the increased flow SEEMS to benefit most but the lifers, but those guys paid as well. And I think there could have still been other improvements. And there is not one FO YET (well maybe E175 spoke for all and he just made it) that has said they wanted “assistance” to get more flight time to upgrade.

 

So I wonder if this 50 hours of IOE can be waived for the traditional 25 hrs. I do not want to be sitting with an IOE check airman for 50 hrs, fly 6 day trips and being at the mercy of the training department not knowing when I'll be scheduled to fly next. I'd rather be on reserve where I know when I can be used. If I'm ready by 25 hours then I'm ready, I don't see the use of prolonging it any longer. Plus I'll have less time now to consolidate given that IOE doesn't count towards consolidation.

 

Who are the “protected pilots”?

 

These LOA’s dealing with FO Advancement, and CA Pay, etc are temporary, expires in about 2 years if I read it correctly. The not so good part only affects those FOs in the 800-950hr range who will get additional flying for what 2-3 months????

As for getting NH in the door:

1. Plenty of regular non cadet CFIs in Envoy pilot recruitment pool. Company slowed regular FO hiring down to focus more on eligible DECs /Street CAs onboarding to resolve a Self induced CA shortage need. Which caused them to violate the contract and meter the flow and get in a bind.

2. Thanks to American Airline Cadet program, $100K loan for flight training costs & job placement at WO, Plus the flow, FO pilot pool for Envoy & WO in the future will not be problem.


FWIW, many of you are need to also pay attention to the market. Oil prices have gone UP yes UP 40% in 1yr this = major cost= major hit on profits= lower margins= cost constraints due to unhappy shareholders= no pay raise some of u think is available to be granted now, now , now.

Go watch the SOTA town hall. Contentious scene between another labor group and Robert/Doug. They are tight on the purse strings. That is for certain.

But it won’t effect recruiting as droves are in the pipeline waiting at the gates.

 

Sorry at the expense of half the pilots on roster?

Let’s be clear with facts: The 800-950hr FOs who decide to hide out on Reserve and not fly to avoid Vacancy /Displacement or the in-between Standing Vacancy are the ones disadvantaged. These folks are the ones the company would like to nudge into upgrading. These pilots (800-950 hrs FOs )are given added flying if they DECIDE to bid reserve (in attempt to avoid flying).

Having that in the settlement hedges the company and helps the company stabilize projections for staffing needs, blocks, flows, aircraft, etc. Not agreeing or disagreeing., just stating the bigger picture for awareness.

 

For all those FOs that think the flow is UNFAIR how about we make it fair. How about you flow at the same length of time the PP pilots flow? Is it fair that you flow in 5.5-7 years when they flowed in 8-12 years?? Perspective people.

 

This is something that might soon be forgotten. I sat next to a guy last week that will be going to AA after 12+ years. All things staying the same, I'll be in his position in 4 years from today or at Delta in even less if that works out. That's totally unfair to the guys going now, but it's also the nature of the game.

Any FO that feels they aren't getting what they're entitled to is a Generation Z toddler that needs to take a hard look at how well-set they are to make an amazing career happen (and read up on some industry history). I would definitely consider these recent improvements a win. They weren't intended to benefit the FO group, but many FOs will benefit from them soon enough when they take a CA vacancy and get the immediate pay raise and when getting sent to LGA (if they even have to) becomes much more reasonable with the hotels and positive space to/from.

This is good news, which is better than bad news.

 

Looks like it starts for everybody once the bid is in. Is there a way to check your pay rate?

 

In the bullet points it appears that the 50 hours is only for new hire CAs.