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05-08-2018, 10:36 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by mketch11
As a 600 hr FO, I feel like I’m giving up the most only to gain the least. The protected pilots get more flow by giving up nothing. None of the concessions will affect a protected pilot. Good for them I guess but not at the expense of everyone who is junior.
This agreement is a POS for those that have been here and paid there dues over and over.
05-08-2018, 10:37 AM
#42
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Yes, you can now bid at 950 hours because f/o's will be given 50 hours if IOE thus taking them over 1000 for the fed ride.
Originally Posted by AZPilotMike
Protected pilots yes, the rest no.
In addition, am I reading that they will allow FO’s to bid for upgrade at 950 hours now? I only say that because of the wording stating they will displace pilots to get FO’s from 800-949. I was under the impression we could even bid for upgrade until 1000 hours. Of course I could be just misreading that part.
In addition, am I reading that they will allow FO’s to bid for upgrade at 950 hours now? I only say that because of the wording stating they will displace pilots to get FO’s from 800-949. I was under the impression we could even bid for upgrade until 1000 hours. Of course I could be just misreading that part.
05-08-2018, 10:53 AM
#43
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Haven’t read it yet but heard the flow drops to 125/year after protected pilots? 10 a month average . If so.... there goes any meaningful flow at Envoy particularly if you’re an older pilot. Flow went up in smoke as a lot of guys said it would. It was just fairy dust.
05-08-2018, 11:00 AM
#44
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There is a long line out the door.....
Originally Posted by dothisbeasa
Maybe instead of screwing the majority of the pilot group over for 4 more flow slots they could have said no, give some QOL and a pay raise and then they’red be a long line out the door to be here, and they could up the flow organically.
05-08-2018, 11:01 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Inop2
True the flow drops to 125 a year after protected pilots? 10 a month average . If true there goes any meaningful flow.
05-08-2018, 11:04 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Tellheritwasntu
There is a long line out the door.....
05-08-2018, 11:11 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by Inop2
Haven’t read it yet but heard the flow drops to 125/year after protected pilots? 10 a month average . If so.... there goes any meaningful flow at Envoy particularly if you’re an older pilot. Flow went up in smoke as a lot of guys said it would. It was just fairy dust.
05-08-2018, 11:17 AM
#48
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
No. It goes to 15/month for the pre-DOS. Then post-DOS it's the lesser of 25% of the total new hires at AA for the entire year, or the equation that's based on the size of our seniority list. Based on our current size, it boils down to the lesser of 25% or 20ish a month. The 25% figure will more than likely be the limiting factor which would break down to about 18/month depending if AA can hit their new hire class number goals.
05-08-2018, 11:21 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Inop2
Haven’t read it yet but heard the flow drops to 125/year after protected pilots? 10 a month average . If so.... there goes any meaningful flow at Envoy particularly if you’re an older pilot. Flow went up in smoke as a lot of guys said it would. It was just fairy dust.
Where are you guys reading that anything changes for non PP’s? All this loa does is settle the grievance for the group currently flowing which currently has a grievance pertaining to them.
Once all the PP’s have flowed and the company violates that agreement then anothe grievance will be filed.
I’m a non PP and while the LOA isn’t perfect it does fix more things than not.
05-08-2018, 11:30 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by havick206
I see the brains trust is put in full force today.
Where are you guys reading that anything changes for non PP’s? All this loa does is settle the grievance for the group currently flowing which currently has a grievance pertaining to them.
Once all the PP’s have flowed and the company violates that agreement then anothe grievance will be filed.
I’m a non PP and while the LOA isn’t perfect it does fix more things than not.
Where are you guys reading that anything changes for non PP’s? All this loa does is settle the grievance for the group currently flowing which currently has a grievance pertaining to them.
Once all the PP’s have flowed and the company violates that agreement then anothe grievance will be filed.
I’m a non PP and while the LOA isn’t perfect it does fix more things than not.
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