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05-08-2018, 09:29 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
Originally Posted by mketch11
This is BS. Any FO with 800hrs 121 at envoy can be off of reserve if they want unless they are prior 121. This means that all FOs who are choosing to be on reserve who aren’t prior 121, are probably doing it to avoid flying. Saying the “overwhelming consensus” is saying that all those FOs choosing to be on reserve really want to get flight time as quick as possible. Really?
Few online forum bantering (few compared to overall large FOs on property).
05-08-2018, 09:30 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Pawn
Posts: 1,138
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Wait were you wanting to burn it down when as a NH you got a 20k bonus plus base salary increases when The protected pilots got hardly anything. Your increase in compensation was 20x more than the protected pilots.
I have been saying this continually that at Envoy we have winners and losers. It sucks that this time you drew the short straw.
I have been saying this continually that at Envoy we have winners and losers. It sucks that this time you drew the short straw.
05-08-2018, 09:32 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
I m a 600 hourish FO that likes the new rules regarding fo flying. I dont bid reserve but i do value paid time with my family more than speeding to 1000 hours.
The one question i dont see answered, if i m displaced under this provision, can i pick up ot at premium on those days?
Regarding the flow settlement... Feel like we could have gotten more but i m not losing sleep over it. Still not expecting to wait arround for flow.
The one question i dont see answered, if i m displaced under this provision, can i pick up ot at premium on those days?
Regarding the flow settlement... Feel like we could have gotten more but i m not losing sleep over it. Still not expecting to wait arround for flow.
05-08-2018, 09:36 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by highfarfast
The one question i dont see answered, if i m displaced under this provision, can i pick up ot at premium on those days?
05-08-2018, 09:37 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 579
Originally Posted by mketch11
As a 600 hr FO, I feel like I’m giving up the most only to gain the least. The protected pilots get more flow by giving up nothing. None of the concessions will affect a protected pilot. Good for them I guess but not at the expense of everyone who is junior.
You received your sign on bonus at the expense of everyone senior to you....most of the remainder of the protected pilots have been screwed over by the company for the past 2 years while all the new hires have cashed in with big bonuses, short reserve time and quick upgrades. Be thankful you didn't have to start out at $27 an hour, 3 years reserve, 8 year upgrade, and multiple base closures and displacements.
Now you get to upgrade and make CA pay day 1, and flow faster to AA.
05-08-2018, 09:37 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 86
I’m kind of surprised by the pilots beyond the protected pilots that seem to think they’re not benefiting from the increase in flow to the protected pilots. In fact, those who benefit most from this increase are the last class of protected pilots and everybody junior to them as the increase in flow through compounds with time. I think everybody after the protected pilots just moved forward 3-4 months, not sure exactly.
05-08-2018, 09:37 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 468
Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I want to be a captain, but on my terms. There are positives in this agreement, but they still don’t outweigh the fact that I am being forced to upgrade and go back to reserve before I want to. While I respect the sacrifices of those of you who stuck it out through the bad times, I am concerned with my QOL, and a mandatory upgrade drastically reduces that QOL.
You guys now get ca Pay day 1 not 3-4 months later. Flow 4ish months sooner. More hotels & A12 passes if new to LGA based. 25 extra hours IOE. And you’re complaing because you can’t personslly sit rsv longer due to not wanting to upgrade right away?
The rest of us sat years on reserve, saw minimum 4 base closures and flow disruptions continually. Let’s not even talk about pay as Pedro stated
05-08-2018, 09:39 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
Originally Posted by mketch11
This is BS. Any FO with 800hrs 121 at envoy can be off of reserve if they want unless they are prior 121. This means that all FOs who are choosing to be on reserve who aren’t prior 121, are probably doing it to avoid flying. Saying the “overwhelming consensus” is saying that all those FOs choosing to be on reserve really want to get flight time as quick as possible. Really?
This is also taking away OT from those who want it and are trying to build time.
If the “overwhelming consensus” of FOs on the cusp was wanting to get more flight time, you wouldn’t have people on the cusp bidding reserve. You also wouldn’t have to displace those who just became eligible. Do they really think so or expect anyone to believe this?
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