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04-02-2019 | 04:27 AM
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Are you say after this event, these 2 did not fill out an ASAP until they got wind people knew? I hope that's not correct, hell I would have had that ready to send immediately on landing. But, if they filled it out and the company still went in attack mode, then that's crap. These type of events are perfect for ASAP. As far as sole source and dual source it really doesn't change the event, if the pilots report it correctly and honestly, another source reporting does not take the teeth out of it.
04-02-2019 | 04:33 AM
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The incident was captured on film by someone on the ground. The pilots still had to finish their flight. The incident was already public before they were handed off to departure control. They never even had the opportunity to file an ASAP before it was public knowledge. Of course they filled one out when they got to their destination, but the anonymity was already gone and the ASAP protection was fading.
04-02-2019 | 06:20 AM
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04-02-2019 | 12:44 PM
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Are you say after this event, these 2 did not fill out an ASAP until they got wind people knew? I hope that's not correct, hell I would have had that ready to send immediately on landing. But, if they filled it out and the company still went in attack mode, then that's crap. These type of events are perfect for ASAP. As far as sole source and dual source it really doesn't change the event, if the pilots report it correctly and honestly, another source reporting does not take the teeth out of it.
04-02-2019 | 12:45 PM
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The ASAP program loses its teeth when it is a non sole sourced event. I’m sure ALPA is going to go to bat for the captain, but the f/o was in probation, there is nothing that ALPA can do. Hopefully he lawyers up. I can’t inagine he’d want to come back after the way the company has treated him.
04-02-2019 | 02:26 PM
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04-02-2019 | 02:29 PM
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