Envoy Air don’t come here
04-01-2019, 08:35 AM
#471
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: ERJ Right
Posts: 541
Originally Posted by Cujo665
Omni. Small enough company where you’re still a person not just an employee/part number. Large enough to have a lot of variety in trip types and lengths. Tons of DoD flying all over the world. Some ultra secret stuff requiring security clearances, and scheduled passenger service; those are the everyday things. Then there’s the sports teams contracts and IATA flying yearly for a few airlines during their busy months when they need widebodies.
If I had known about this place, I’d have left Eagle long long ago. Probably the best kept secret in the 121 industry. Highest starting pay in 121; currently $117ph, upgrade 2.5 years and falling, top 12 yr CA step on the 767 is $297ph
Go compare with some legacy and LCC’s... both Kalitta and Omni have very similar CBA’s. We also have management teams that want you to succeeed and are helpful rather than always trying to get you to do more for less.
If I had known about this place, I’d have left Eagle long long ago. Probably the best kept secret in the 121 industry. Highest starting pay in 121; currently $117ph, upgrade 2.5 years and falling, top 12 yr CA step on the 767 is $297ph
Go compare with some legacy and LCC’s... both Kalitta and Omni have very similar CBA’s. We also have management teams that want you to succeeed and are helpful rather than always trying to get you to do more for less.
-Keep the dirty side down
04-01-2019, 10:10 AM
#472
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,132
Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA
I have heard horror stories about the upgrade training program over there. Is it sub par or was my source a bad apple?
-Keep the dirty side down
-Keep the dirty side down
It’s about being able to get back into the command attitude and be able to make good decisions in a timely manner. Most guys that elect to return to FO say it’s the knowledge based decision making that was the sticking point.
Foreign ATC isn’t going to tell you their transition altitude is 4,000 feet instead of FL180; nor will they often tell you a speed that is already published someplace. Bad habits like saying “in the box” instead of squawk 1234 are as bad as saying Oh, instead of zero. English is their second language and things will get messed up fast. Being precise, structured, and professional goes a long way on the radio.... and in the Sim for the instructor.
In the past 6 months, I know of 3 FO’s who elected to discontinue CA upgrade and return to FO. It is a crap ton of studying and refreshing; and Then being able to apply the info in the Sim and on ground. It is a lot, but it’s also a very good, very fair program with excellent instructors.
You’re also the CA (company employee supervisor in foreign countries) when outside the cockpit, so you get to be HR for the FA’s and GSC and well everybody else too.
04-01-2019, 11:35 AM
#475
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,285
Originally Posted by buddies8
Heard envoy having difficulty with new LCA's getting through training such as 4 attempts to get v1 cut and approaches done right once. Even the instructor was helping him. Cant wait to see how this guy does on line.
04-01-2019, 11:42 AM
#476
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Posts: 1,523
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Did he actually get canned or get a CDD and decide to resign? I've heard both from different people 
04-01-2019, 01:42 PM
#478
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
Envoy Air don’t come here
Originally Posted by Cujo665
Omni. Small enough company where you’re still a person not just an employee/part number. Large enough to have a lot of variety in trip types and lengths. Tons of DoD flying all over the world. Some ultra secret stuff requiring security clearances, and scheduled passenger service; those are the everyday things. Then there’s the sports teams contracts and IATA flying yearly for a few airlines during their busy months when they need widebodies.
If I had known about this place, I’d have left Eagle long long ago. Probably the best kept secret in the 121 industry. Highest starting pay in 121; currently $117ph, upgrade 2.5 years and falling, top 12 yr CA step on the 767 is $297ph
Go compare with some legacy and LCC’s... both Kalitta and Omni have very similar CBA’s. We also have management teams that want you to succeeed and are helpful rather than always trying to get you to do more for less.
However, I’ll stand by the opinion that for brand new pilots the AAG regionals are more stable, better equipped, and better maintained than many other places. We all remember what the planes were like that came back from TSA.... can’t wait to hear about the abortions Hulas done with the 20 E175’s....
If I had known about this place, I’d have left Eagle long long ago. Probably the best kept secret in the 121 industry. Highest starting pay in 121; currently $117ph, upgrade 2.5 years and falling, top 12 yr CA step on the 767 is $297ph
Go compare with some legacy and LCC’s... both Kalitta and Omni have very similar CBA’s. We also have management teams that want you to succeeed and are helpful rather than always trying to get you to do more for less.
However, I’ll stand by the opinion that for brand new pilots the AAG regionals are more stable, better equipped, and better maintained than many other places. We all remember what the planes were like that came back from TSA.... can’t wait to hear about the abortions Hulas done with the 20 E175’s....
Great post (the real Cujo). Your experience are helpful and motivating! I’m glad you left this hole for a Greener Valley. Its motivating to read.
I came here thinking AA is where I want to be, but that glorious unicorn has been shot dead! I’m extremely vexed by the company’s recent action, even if ordered from AA. I’m extra motivated to get out ASAP!
AA would not dear do that to an Allied Pilot Association member. Our mgmt pilots did not have the backbone to stick a neck out & recommend retaining, follow & support established safety protocols! They chose to protect their career mobility. It’s disrespectful for in itself for AA to pressure Envoy Mgmt to do that when we all know damn well AA couldn’t & would not fire an AA pilot! If they tried All AA pilots would STICK TOGETHER AND FIGHT BACK INTELLIGENTLY.
Eagle is truly dead. I can’t wait to say See-Ya for upward mobility. FK THE FLOW! Nobody should wait... They can rightfully violate it anytime in the near future. History tells us this! Others should really really get to networking and out of here-upwards as fast as possible. We know the The grass is greener elsewhere all around us because visibility is unrestricted!
I’m ready for some good news....
Last edited by SilentLurker; 04-01-2019 at 01:55 PM.
04-01-2019, 03:05 PM
#479
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
I’ve been waiting over a year for even one scrap of good news. It isn’t coming. Nothing gets better here, with the exception of fleet growth on the 175 side which mostly just drains flying out of the 145 bid packets. Shortage was a myth, it’s gonna be what it’s gonna be, and we’re gonna ride it out or not. What we decide doesn’t matter to the company either, they could have 300 more hungry cadets in the pipeline tomorrow if they wanted.
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