Same here....

 

The tower instructions were "fly heading 100, runway 10L from DD, cleared for takeoff." They read it back correctly but possibly were thinking of the runway 10L when they dialed the heading in?

Sucks. I hope they get their jobs back. We make mistakes all the time. Too bad the media got a hold of it.

 

This whole thing should serve as a wake up call for the young pilots who think that company is their friend and has their best interests in mind.

 

They read back the correct heading. The captain was a 800’s seniority # and the FO was 1500’s ... so he wasn’t on probation.

 

I actually do not have an ax to grind in the way you're implying. In fact, if you read through most of the message boards, and some other sites you'd find that in general I tend to recommend Envoy to brand new pilots, for the overall stability, flow as a backup policy (even if it is to the worst legacy, it's still a legacy), decent well maintained equipment, and a structure and system that is more like a major than a regional.

I see the schedules the guys around my seniority level are getting at AA. We compare schedules and paychecks. I love where I'm at. The 767 is a great aircraft, I love my schedules, the pay is highest in the industry on the same equipment, we are positive spaced to/from work, and we keep all airline miles and hotel points. I fly 20-48 hours a month, some months like this one, I did reserve and fly nothing at all. Upgrade is about 1 year away at this point. Our application window opens and gets shut within days simply due to the volume applying.

However, for a new guy starting out, there are many worse places to be than Envoy. For guys with a few years experience, I'd recommend actively attending job fairs, getting their resumes out there, networking with friends and former coworkers, and getting into one of the other majors through the front door rather than waiting for flow. Doing things like Check-Airman, and volunteer work are important and should be on your resume for the fastest path to a legacy. There are also some great LCC's and ACMI's to choose from with very good pay scales and lifestyles, especially if you reside in base. The point is there are lots and lots of options for pilots these days once you have a little experience. The flow is a great backup policy, but don't pass up the opportunity for better sooner. I've seen low time guys being hired and Spirit and JetBlue, and not much more being hired at Delta and United. If you go after the job, it's there for you. If you just sit back filling out applications complaining about never getting an interview, well, you can plan on waiting to flow. A few of the ACMI's (Kalitta and Omni) have contracts and rates that exceed the LCC's and approach the legacy levels. There are lots of choices and options for pilots these days. Don't be locked into any one career path. The flow is a great insurance policy, but don't stop trying to get there sooner.

 

The FO was on probation

 

Great info. Who do you work for?

 

He’s at Omni

 

The failure of the ASAP program, the control tower, the union and most importantly the company’s integrity in the handling of this should be cause alone for pilots to look elsewhere for better employment. The fear of constantly losing your job, the nazi style hostile management tactics are the worst in the industry.

 

Omni. Small enough company where you’re still a person not just an employee/part number. Large enough to have a lot of variety in trip types and lengths. Tons of DoD flying all over the world. Some ultra secret stuff requiring security clearances, and scheduled passenger service; those are the everyday things. Then there’s the sports teams contracts and IATA flying yearly for a few airlines during their busy months when they need widebodies.
If I had known about this place, I’d have left Eagle long long ago. Probably the best kept secret in the 121 industry. Highest starting pay in 121; currently $117ph, upgrade 2.5 years and falling, top 12 yr CA step on the 767 is $297ph
Go compare with some legacy and LCC’s... both Kalitta and Omni have very similar CBA’s. We also have management teams that want you to succeeed and are helpful rather than always trying to get you to do more for less.

However, I’ll stand by the opinion that for brand new pilots the AAG regionals are more stable, better equipped, and better maintained than many other places. We all remember what the planes were like that came back from TSA.... can’t wait to hear about the abortions Hulas done with the 20 E175’s....