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01-26-2019 | 01:59 PM
#392
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Reserve has been negotiated for over 3 years and end result nothing. Just like our amenable period coming up, zero cost neutral must be the end result. So how do you get gains with that, you dont. Besides are you not all spouting people are off reserve in 6 month average, no capitol should be expended for reserve rule changes if 6 months is the average a pilot spends on reserve. Like it or not.
01-26-2019 | 02:01 PM
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Never said that. I said mec not going to make waves to affect their flow. Status quo is a win for management.
Reserve has been negotiated for over 3 years and end result nothing. Just like our amenable period coming up, zero cost neutral must be the end result. So how do you get gains with that, you dont. Besides are you not all spouting people are off reserve in 6 month average, no capitol should be expended for reserve rule changes if 6 months is the average a pilot spends on reserve. Like it or not.
Reserve has been negotiated for over 3 years and end result nothing. Just like our amenable period coming up, zero cost neutral must be the end result. So how do you get gains with that, you dont. Besides are you not all spouting people are off reserve in 6 month average, no capitol should be expended for reserve rule changes if 6 months is the average a pilot spends on reserve. Like it or not.
For a new hire on the 175, sure. 145 is seeing well over a year on reserve, CRJ its until they’re gone.
01-26-2019 | 02:16 PM
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Never said that. I said mec not going to make waves to affect their flow. Status quo is a win for management.
Reserve has been negotiated for over 3 years and end result nothing. Just like our amenable period coming up, zero cost neutral must be the end result. So how do you get gains with that, you dont. Besides are you not all spouting people are off reserve in 6 month average, no capitol should be expended for reserve rule changes if 6 months is the average a pilot spends on reserve. Like it or not.
Reserve has been negotiated for over 3 years and end result nothing. Just like our amenable period coming up, zero cost neutral must be the end result. So how do you get gains with that, you dont. Besides are you not all spouting people are off reserve in 6 month average, no capitol should be expended for reserve rule changes if 6 months is the average a pilot spends on reserve. Like it or not.
01-26-2019 | 03:48 PM
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Never said that. I said mec not going to make waves to affect their flow. Status quo is a win for management.
Reserve has been negotiated for over 3 years and end result nothing. Just like our amenable period coming up, zero cost neutral must be the end result. So how do you get gains with that, you dont. Besides are you not all spouting people are off reserve in 6 month average, no capitol should be expended for reserve rule changes if 6 months is the average a pilot spends on reserve. Like it or not.
Reserve has been negotiated for over 3 years and end result nothing. Just like our amenable period coming up, zero cost neutral must be the end result. So how do you get gains with that, you dont. Besides are you not all spouting people are off reserve in 6 month average, no capitol should be expended for reserve rule changes if 6 months is the average a pilot spends on reserve. Like it or not.
The union did the right thing we the rejection yesterday. In no way should we have given the company a pass on grievances that would ultimately come back to hurt us just so that we could continue to talk.
The blame falls squarely on the company for this one and it shows how they really feel about our pilot group.
01-26-2019 | 04:46 PM
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I just don’t get why anyone commuting here or just starting here would not got to Frontier or Flexjet. Starting pay at Flexjet is 100,000 a year for a FO. This place is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to money, QOL, and health benefits. Basically everything that matters for you and your family or future family. God knows that if they jack with the flow after the protected pilots Envoy would crumble into a million pieces.
01-27-2019 | 02:49 AM
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I sometimes wonder if protecting 175 NHs from reserve is the company’s way of ensuring we never achieve solidarity, but that’s probably just an accident on their part. That’s why I think cost-neutral is potentially an opportunity. This company is not helmed by particularly canny people. How about that NY hotel LOA? They totally stopped NFE hiring after a couple months of that.
01-27-2019 | 03:48 AM
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I sometimes wonder if protecting 175 NHs from reserve is the company’s way of ensuring we never achieve solidarity, but that’s probably just an accident on their part. That’s why I think cost-neutral is potentially an opportunity. This company is not helmed by particularly canny people. How about that NY hotel LOA? They totally stopped NFE hiring after a couple months of that.
Lead from behind as they say.
01-27-2019 | 11:41 AM
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Do you have your apps out? Please don't discount the LCCs. If it weren't for me leaving Envoy for an LCC, I would have never landed the job at Delta, where I am now.
01-27-2019 | 12:10 PM
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Weren't you on this board several months ago pretty hyped up.about Envoy and the flow? Envoy is the same as it was 10 and 20 years ago. Good stuff just around the corner coming out of the lying mouths of management.
Do you have your apps out? Please don't discount the LCCs. If it weren't for me leaving Envoy for an LCC, I would have never landed the job at Delta, where I am now.
Do you have your apps out? Please don't discount the LCCs. If it weren't for me leaving Envoy for an LCC, I would have never landed the job at Delta, where I am now.
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