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Old 01-09-2019, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast View Post
You might be surprised how many people dont read the contract and LOAs. I just flew with a recent captain upgrade that vacancy bid to his position and I could tell by talking to him, he had no idea about a voluntary seat lock. Flown with several like that actually.
As soon as I got that displacement, I put in for that seat lock. Can’t say no to free money!!
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:20 PM
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It’s not clear to me why more people simply don’t just leave their 3P blank and only fill in their 3D.

The majority of those that fill in a 3P are scared/nervous they won’t get that position in part because they don’t understand how displacement bidding works.


A 2 yr seat lock when you factor in 3rd year captain pay is ~$9K and does not impact your FLOW.


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Old 01-10-2019, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RomeoBravo View Post
It’s not clear to me why more people simply don’t just leave their 3P blank and only fill in their 3D.

The majority of those that fill in a 3P are scared/nervous they won’t get that position in part because they don’t understand how displacement bidding works.


A 2 yr seat lock when you factor in 3rd year captain pay is ~$9K and does not impact your FLOW.


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I had the same conversation with multiple people who “really wanted to ensure they held the 175.” If you can hold it via preference then you’ll hold it on the displacement. Now with a 2100 number holding it, Street captains can now join the elite ranks of heavy drivers within a few months.
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader View Post
I had the same conversation with multiple people who “really wanted to ensure they held the 175.” If you can hold it via preference then you’ll hold it on the displacement. Now with a 2100 number holding it, Street captains can now join the elite ranks of heavy drivers within a few months.


lol @ “elite ranks”......


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Old 01-10-2019, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader View Post
I had the same conversation with multiple people who “really wanted to ensure they held the 175.” If you can hold it via preference then you’ll hold it on the displacement. Now with a 2100 number holding it, Street captains can now join the elite ranks of heavy drivers within a few months.
That poor soul at 2100 is going to be rock bottom for awhile as more and more people displace or proffer over.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RomeoBravo View Post
It’s not clear to me why more people simply don’t just leave their 3P blank and only fill in their 3D.

The majority of those that fill in a 3P are scared/nervous they won’t get that position in part because they don’t understand how displacement bidding works.


A 2 yr seat lock when you factor in 3rd year captain pay is ~$9K and does not impact your FLOW.


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You are right. Very few understand the process. Because preferencing DOES increase your odds of getting what you want.

There were those that could have gotten what the wanted had they preferenced but did not because they only had displacements listed.

And if you aren’t changing equipment, you aren’t eligible for the 5 hour override. If NOBODY preferenced it would work. As much as I, too, don’t think anyone should preference, all those guys in the 175 who HAVE to stay in the the 175 are doing the right thing (for them) with a preference.
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
That poor soul at 2100 is going to be rock bottom for awhile as more and more people displace or proffer over.


Your point is valid however, that’s okay too right. Being rock bottom, living in base, flying the airplane he/she desires and on the seniority list is not the worst that can happen.


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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
You are right. Very few understand the process. Because preferencing DOES increase your odds of getting what you want.



There were those that could have gotten what the wanted had they preferenced but did not because they only had displacements listed.



And if you aren’t changing equipment, you aren’t eligible for the 5 hour override. If NOBODY preferenced it would work. As much as I, too, don’t think anyone should preference, all those guys in the 175 who HAVE to stay in the the 175 are doing the right thing (for them) with a preference.


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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
That poor soul at 2100 is going to be rock bottom for awhile as more and more people displace or proffer over.
He got a $45,000 bonus to come here a few months ago, that was his carrot to chase for being at the bottom.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
And if you aren’t changing equipment, you aren’t eligible for the 5 hour override.
Where does it say this specifically? Also, it appears that the wording for the override in the LOA states "captains" displacing are eligible, not FO's. Is there a serperate LOA I am missing?
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