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Old 01-04-2019, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mketch11 View Post
From what limited understanding I have gained in researching such things, proffer to displace if you think there is a chance that they will not displace everyone with enough hours. If you think that everyone will displace then proffering to displace will only have you lose out on paid move and send you to training sooner. If all FOs with time are moving to the left seat regardless then a proffer will not do anything with regards to what equipment because a displacement will trump those once it comes to that. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. I left an email with a union rep to verify this and they said they would call me but never did.
This was the exact answer I gave as well, so I think we are on the right track. The question is, will they displace everyone as they start from the most junior and work up. Given they are pretty senior, there is a chance they dont displace.

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This was the exact answer I gave as well, so I think we are on the right track. The question is, will they displace everyone as they start from the most junior and work up. Given they are pretty senior, there is a chance they dont displace.

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I would be willing to bet there is NO ONE who has the time when the bid closes escapes. The company still thinks they need 125 OTS DECs. They are not going to allow pilots to skip out when they are paying $45K to hire someone qualified.

And according to the contract interpretation, to be able to send DECs directly to a captain seat there has to be a standing vacancy, meaning more vacancies then eligible pilots on property.

And I’m pretty sure the company knows within a few pilots how many have the time and how vacancies to post.
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:03 PM
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Why hire a high-value aviator when you can upgrade a low value one.
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:38 PM
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Any chance reserve for FOs on the 145 is going to come down significantly this year for ORD or LGA?
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Any chance reserve for FOs on the 145 is going to come down significantly this year for ORD or LGA?
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Originally Posted by Voski View Post
Any chance reserve for FOs on the 145 is going to come down significantly this year for ORD or LGA?
It’s possible. The classes lately have been very heavy on the 175 because it’s growing. With less new hires on the 145 the current f/o list should continue to be right sized with captain vacancies and more flying opportunities should exist. There isn’t a need to have 37 f/o’s on reserve everyday, so hopefully it will improve a bit. I do however expect that we will see a few classes that have more 145 slots than heavy slots in order to keenthe backfill.
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
I would be willing to bet there is NO ONE who has the time when the bid closes escapes. The company still thinks they need 125 OTS DECs. They are not going to allow pilots to skip out when they are paying $45K to hire someone qualified.

And according to the contract interpretation, to be able to send DECs directly to a captain seat there has to be a standing vacancy, meaning more vacancies then eligible pilots on property.

And I’m pretty sure the company knows within a few pilots how many have the time and how vacancies to post.
I wonder how much it cost to send a 175 FO to 145 CA then to 175 CA. Those sim slots aren't cheap and time away from the line has to be added in. I have seen about six on the reserve list on the 145 CA DFW go back to training very recently. A forced upgrade plus a voluntary seat lock cost north of 8k.
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
I wonder how much it cost to send a 175 FO to 145 CA then to 175 CA. Those sim slots aren't cheap and time away from the line has to be added in. I have seen about six on the reserve list on the 145 CA DFW go back to training very recently. A forced upgrade plus a voluntary seat lock cost north of 8k.
But 8k is less than 45k...
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
I wonder how much it cost to send a 175 FO to 145 CA then to 175 CA. Those sim slots aren't cheap and time away from the line has to be added in. I have seen about six on the reserve list on the 145 CA DFW go back to training very recently. A forced upgrade plus a voluntary seat lock cost north of 8k.
Far less cost than cancelling flights last summer.
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
I wonder how much it cost to send a 175 FO to 145 CA then to 175 CA. Those sim slots aren't cheap and time away from the line has to be added in. I have seen about six on the reserve list on the 145 CA DFW go back to training very recently. A forced upgrade plus a voluntary seat lock cost north of 8k.
This situation, the displaced FOs to 145, who want back in the 175, are they subject to the 30% CA jet to jet restriction? Or do displaced guys have access to bid on full availability of other CA slots on subsequent bids? Hopefully the question makes sense...
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