New PSA Pilot Pay Agreement
05-01-2019, 04:16 PM
#401
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
Anyone that actually thinks something positive is going to come out of the negotiations probably hasn't worked here for very long and is in for a big disappointment. Anyone that has been here over the long term and has been through past negotiations and concessionary contracts...well, it's just going to be par for the course.
05-01-2019, 04:32 PM
#402
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Originally Posted by GCPhoenix
This attitude is the problem, and exactly the reason why nothing changes. Management knows they can take advantage of you and you'll just lie down and take it. You've been beaten into submission.
05-01-2019, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GCPhoenix
This attitude is the problem, and exactly the reason why nothing changes. Management knows they can take advantage of you and you'll just lie down and take it. You've been beaten into submission.
05-02-2019, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
If we do concessions let’s make sure the concessions are visible and affect new hires on the 175 in DFW and ORD (ie nothing that only impacts people who are on rsv)
175 needs to have it's QOL dropped to the level of the other fleets.
Also need to pull the MOU/LOA that allows cadets seniority.
05-02-2019, 08:13 AM
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Without negotiating in public, there is a difference between a concession, and a concessionary contract. If the pay raise increases each pilots cost by X amount, and a concession cost each pilot <X, then that still means the gain has increased the value of the contract, and should be voted on by the pilot group. I very well may still vote that down, but it is not a ‘net concession.’
We need to remember that our entire contract (beyond pay rates) has a net cost per pilot, and we absolutely should demand that the net cost be increased with the PSA rates, how much should be up to the pilot group.
We need to remember that our entire contract (beyond pay rates) has a net cost per pilot, and we absolutely should demand that the net cost be increased with the PSA rates, how much should be up to the pilot group.
05-02-2019, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Boy, AAG has done a crafty number on us. Instead of asking for Endeavor rates, everyone wants PSA rates.
Someone pointed out the truth. This can't be repeated enough.
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