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05-01-2019 | 04:16 PM

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Anyone that actually thinks something positive is going to come out of the negotiations probably hasn't worked here for very long and is in for a big disappointment. Anyone that has been here over the long term and has been through past negotiations and concessionary contracts...well, it's just going to be par for the course.

This attitude is the problem, and exactly the reason why nothing changes. Management knows they can take advantage of you and you'll just lie down and take it. You've been beaten into submission.

05-01-2019 | 04:32 PM

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This attitude is the problem, and exactly the reason why nothing changes. Management knows they can take advantage of you and you'll just lie down and take it. You've been beaten into submission.

I second this. I find it funny that even SkyWest’s pilot group has been more effective in negotiations with management and they don’t even have a union.

05-01-2019 | 04:59 PM

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This attitude is the problem, and exactly the reason why nothing changes. Management knows they can take advantage of you and you'll just lie down and take it. You've been beaten into submission.

I have not been beaten into submission. I have voted no to every single concession that have faced this pilot group since 2012 (there have been several by the way). And I will 100% oppose ANY form of concessions, no matter how small, in exchange for pay raises. My attitude is not the problem. I know what this group deserves and I don't approve of anything less. My faith in this management to do the right thing is virtually non existent. That's all I'm saying.

05-01-2019 | 06:19 PM

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I love how we gave concessions on the last two LOAs when we had leverage. Now with no leverage we say “no concessions.” Seems backwards

05-01-2019 | 07:10 PM

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That's regional alpa for you.

05-02-2019 | 06:52 AM

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If we do concessions let’s make sure the concessions are visible and affect new hires on the 175 in DFW and ORD (ie nothing that only impacts people who are on rsv)

05-02-2019 | 07:57 AM

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If we do concessions let’s make sure the concessions are visible and affect new hires on the 175 in DFW and ORD (ie nothing that only impacts people who are on rsv)

I would agree.

175 needs to have it's QOL dropped to the level of the other fleets.

Also need to pull the MOU/LOA that allows cadets seniority.

05-02-2019 | 08:13 AM

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Without negotiating in public, there is a difference between a concession, and a concessionary contract. If the pay raise increases each pilots cost by X amount, and a concession cost each pilot <X, then that still means the gain has increased the value of the contract, and should be voted on by the pilot group. I very well may still vote that down, but it is not a ‘net concession.’

We need to remember that our entire contract (beyond pay rates) has a net cost per pilot, and we absolutely should demand that the net cost be increased with the PSA rates, how much should be up to the pilot group.