Employee Morale All Time LOW
05-17-2019 | 03:07 AM
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05-17-2019 | 07:00 AM
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Idk if it’s productive to always compare everything to bankruptcy/concessions times, it’s ok to note that even w/in the past year morale is plummeting and everyone hates their job more than the same time 12 mos ago
05-17-2019 | 07:21 AM
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I don’t think that anyone hates their job. I love what I do. I hate that we have a management team that has so much disdain for us. The biggest problem with Envoy is its stability in its management group. RN, RW, DT, PF, have all been here forever. They are products of the system and have no vision outside of what they know. I liken it to Brooks in the Shawshank Redemption. He was in prison for so long that he knew nothing else and couldn’t handle life outside if the institution. AAG and Envoy will only get better with a change in the bloodline.
05-17-2019 | 10:26 AM
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I don’t think that anyone hates their job. I love what I do. I hate that we have a management team that has so much disdain for us. The biggest problem with Envoy is its stability in its management group. RN, RW, DT, PF, have all been here forever. They are products of the system and have no vision outside of what they know. I liken it to Brooks in the Shawshank Redemption. He was in prison for so long that he knew nothing else and couldn’t handle life outside if the institution. AAG and Envoy will only get better with a change in the bloodline.
05-17-2019 | 10:44 AM
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I don’t think that anyone hates their job. I love what I do. I hate that we have a management team that has so much disdain for us. The biggest problem with Envoy is its stability in its management group. RN, RW, DT, PF, have all been here forever. They are products of the system and have no vision outside of what they know. I liken it to Brooks in the Shawshank Redemption. He was in prison for so long that he knew nothing else and couldn’t handle life outside if the institution. AAG and Envoy will only get better with a change in the bloodline.
05-17-2019 | 12:04 PM
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Okay, we understand that that you’ve been dragged through the mud.I can’t even begin to fathom the hardships you had to go through.
This is 2019 now. Present time, with a pilot group that is going through their own struggles with management as well.
Stop living in the past. We’re not there anymore. Learn from it.
We’re fighting an uphill battle as it is and to play tit for tat on who had it worse isn’t helping anyone.
This is 2019 now. Present time, with a pilot group that is going through their own struggles with management as well.
Stop living in the past. We’re not there anymore. Learn from it.
We’re fighting an uphill battle as it is and to play tit for tat on who had it worse isn’t helping anyone.
This is the longest I’ve personally seen the industry do this well. Which means historically were in for a downturn. How, “all time low” do you think morale will be if AA announced they aren’t going to hire anyone for an indefinite amount of time and that they’re, “shrinking to profitability” by parking aircraft. It’s happened before, it certainly can happen again.
Things are pretty good right now all over the industry. When the correction comes (and it will) just hope it isn’t so severe that it puts the brakes on your career for a few years. Or forever. Because that’s what happened to many.
05-17-2019 | 02:21 PM
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Learn from what exactly? That there are an infinite number of factors in one’s career that can have severe and lasting impact on their progression?
This is the longest I’ve personally seen the industry do this well. Which means historically were in for a downturn. How, “all time low” do you think morale will be if AA announced they aren’t going to hire anyone for an indefinite amount of time and that they’re, “shrinking to profitability” by parking aircraft. It’s happened before, it certainly can happen again.
Things are pretty good right now all over the industry. When the correction comes (and it will) just hope it isn’t so severe that it puts the brakes on your career for a few years. Or forever. Because that’s what happened to many.
This is the longest I’ve personally seen the industry do this well. Which means historically were in for a downturn. How, “all time low” do you think morale will be if AA announced they aren’t going to hire anyone for an indefinite amount of time and that they’re, “shrinking to profitability” by parking aircraft. It’s happened before, it certainly can happen again.
Things are pretty good right now all over the industry. When the correction comes (and it will) just hope it isn’t so severe that it puts the brakes on your career for a few years. Or forever. Because that’s what happened to many.
05-17-2019 | 02:37 PM
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There is an inherent advantage to the non-legacies with young pilots groups where NO ONE has the time on property to be at the top of the payscale.
Individuals going there rather than waiting it out for legacies might very well wind up being the ones who are making the right move.
Individuals going there rather than waiting it out for legacies might very well wind up being the ones who are making the right move.
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