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05-23-2019, 08:59 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by dera
So are you saying you need more, or less?
(Cue someone chiming in with tales of some 25 y/o FO they know who got on at UA/DL...)
05-23-2019, 09:10 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by uavking
It's a baseline figure. Off the top of my head, United has said the average civilian new hire comes with something like 5-6000 TT and over 1000 121 PIC.
(Cue someone chiming in with tales of some 25 y/o FO they know who got on at UA/DL...)
(Cue someone chiming in with tales of some 25 y/o FO they know who got on at UA/DL...)
It takes 2-3 years to be marginally competitive (with the 1000TPIC). So you won't lose half a decade waiting for flow, you might lose a few years.
All of this is 100% speculation. We have two numbers, one says 5.5 years, one says 9 years. Both are wrong. Truth is somewhere in the middle.
05-23-2019, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
These numbers a predicated on maitining 19 a month attrition in addition to the flow. What happens if there is no attrition. You be better off planning for no more than 10 attrition and you may be in the ballpark
05-23-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
These numbers a predicated on maitining 19 a month attrition in addition to the flow. What happens if there is no attrition. You be better off planning for no more than 10 attrition and you may be in the ballpark
Which isn’t reasonable.
The union numbers are more realistic than the companies recruiting material.
05-23-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
All of this is 100% speculation. We have two numbers, one says 5.5 years, one says 9 years. Both are wrong. Truth is somewhere in the middle.
So knock yourself out and speculate all you want. The best thing to in the meantime is keep the applications up to date. I can think of 11 career airlines currently or periodically hiring.
05-23-2019, 09:32 AM
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Now that lots of the non WO have flow agreements with Frontier, which essentially stops FOs from those regionals applying outside the flow, doesn’t it seem likely attrition to Frontier and ULCCs will increase from within the Envoy ranks?
05-23-2019, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
Now that lots of the non WO have flow agreements with Frontier, which essentially stops FOs from those regionals applying outside the flow, doesn’t it seem likely attrition to Frontier and ULCCs will increase from within the Envoy ranks?
05-23-2019, 09:36 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
It's also speculation to say 'truth is somewhere in the middle.' We won't know for the next 5.5-9 years or more. We won't know until it has happened (if it happens at all).
So knock yourself out and speculate all you want. The best thing to in the meantime is keep the applications up to date. I can think of 11 career airlines currently or periodically hiring.
So knock yourself out and speculate all you want. The best thing to in the meantime is keep the applications up to date. I can think of 11 career airlines currently or periodically hiring.
Agree 100% on the last bit.
05-23-2019, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
This is obviously a joke but I’m not sure which part you’re intending as a joke...
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