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05-23-2019 | 11:25 PM

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highfarfast

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If YOU are worth a damn, YOU will be hired somewhere good in less than 9 years OTS if you keep your apps out AND up to date. That’s why flow is worthless at 9 years.

05-23-2019 | 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dera

Wow. So no-one should start this career in 5 years time? Because in 9 years when they might be competitive for a major, "the hiring will be done" and there's no point to go.

Get real.

So, if you're stuck at a regional and the majors aren't hiring, would you not rather be at an airline that pays and is not at the bottom of pay and work rules

05-24-2019 | 02:13 AM

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So, if you're stuck at a regional and the majors aren't hiring, would you not rather be at an airline that pays and is not at the bottom of pay and work rules

You’re wasting your breath.

05-24-2019 | 07:29 AM

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So, if you're stuck at a regional and the majors aren't hiring, would you not rather be at an airline that pays and is not at the bottom of pay and work rules

But hey, everyone will get hired OTS in the next 9 years. So this is not a problem, right?

If majors stop hiring, I would go back to charter/corporate. There's no point wasting your life at any regional. None of them are worth getting stuck at.

This thread is about the flow, not pay/work rules.
Our work rules are pretty much average. Definitely not the worst, but not the best either.

05-24-2019 | 09:21 AM

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Living in base making over 130k like you can at some regionals is worth getting stuck at. Envoy has the ability to make it a place to work instead of a place to serve your sentence.

05-24-2019 | 09:28 AM

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Paroles are hard to come by too.

05-24-2019 | 10:20 AM

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But hey, everyone will get hired OTS in the next 9 years. So this is not a problem, right?

If majors stop hiring, I would go back to charter/corporate. There's no point wasting your life at any regional. None of them are worth getting stuck at.

This thread is about the flow, not pay/work rules.
Our work rules are pretty much average. Definitely not the worst, but not the best either.

That sounds like a great idea. The same one that everyone else is going to have if the majors quit hiring. And if there is any kind of downturn that causes majors to quit hiring, you can be pretty well assured the rest of the industry will be affected.

05-24-2019 | 10:26 AM

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Cujo, did you get that info from talkairline, or is it actually confirmed?

Nope, from here
< 6 Year Flow

The math works, and is the only way they get to 6 years. They need 19 a month average fighting to get out of ENY or the union 9 year projections become more accurate.

So, I’d plan something in the middle. Plus AA will have a huge training backlog soon which will throttle flow for some time.

05-24-2019 | 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by highfarfast

If YOU are worth a damn, YOU will be hired somewhere good in less than 9 years OTS if you keep your apps out AND up to date. That’s why flow is worthless at 9 years.

Yeah, because keeping your apps updated is working so well for everybody. Want out now? Become a check airman, or an asst chief pilot, or an safety volunteer. Do some charity work. Attend job fairs in person. Start networking your tail off and being the guy they see everywhere trying to get the job.
Otherwise, your updated app is just one of 18,000 in the pile.

05-24-2019 | 10:34 AM

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This is true, and maybe I’m a few shades jaded by now but I spend enough time away from my wife and kids. The fact that I have to donate more of my time off to a job fair is ludicrous. On top of all the volunteering and charity work you are supposed to be doing already.

I’m fully prepared to hear how that’s the way to get out and you’re not really trying etc. I’m just saying I don’t have enough off days to give anymore.