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Old 06-07-2019 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumpseatcrawler
It is not that simple. I have met guys from the negotiations MEC. They honestly work hard for us. Negotiations take time and we all need to be united. Turning our backs on our union would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.

We will win this fight, there is NO WAY in this kind of pilot hiring climate that Envoy will keep up running its operation smoothly. I will standby and await for my unions instructions. In the mean time, i show up, fly my contract and go home as soon as the last passenger deboards.

Dont get me wrong, I too feel frustrated. I really hope prospective envoy pilots read this forums and understand this is not the time to come here. Wait til we are paid what we deserve. You will be thanking yourselves in the future.

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Old 06-07-2019 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumpseatcrawler
It is not that simple. I have met guys from the negotiations MEC. They honestly work hard for us. Negotiations take time and we all need to be united. Turning our backs on our union would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.

We will win this fight, there is NO WAY in this kind of pilot hiring climate that Envoy will keep up running its operation smoothly. I will standby and await for my unions instructions. In the mean time, i show up, fly my contract and go home as soon as the last passenger deboards.

Dont get me wrong, I too feel frustrated. I really hope prospective envoy pilots read this forums and understand this is not the time to come here. Wait til we are paid what we deserve. You will be thanking yourselves in the future.

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Old 06-08-2019 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by blackbox348
Remember, the likelihood of pop up thunderstorms exponentially increases in the summers. AOM 1 requires that when taxiways are slippery or wet that we taxi on two engines. May cost the company more than $15/hour for fuel, but one can’t put a price on safety.
I find that the pressure to get the aircraft setup, keep passengers safe, monitor the boarding process etc are all far more important than getting the aircraft setup and navigation put in. Therefore, I wait until the brake drops and the flight is on the clock to run the numbers, enter route, setup performance and such.

Doing it this way ensures that the safety of the passengers is at the forefront of my attention. Once they are safely boarded and we are not under a D+0 crunch, I can then direct my attention to the safety of the passengers in terms of the actual operation of the aircraft. This also allows for proper weather briefings, route briefing and taxi briefings, again, for the safety of the passengers.
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Old 06-08-2019 | 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I don't really lay this at the feet of our MEC. Last time I personally talked to someone on the negotiating committee (pretty recent), the company hadn't really been open to anything ANYONE here would accept.

It's like management needs to see this place burn a little before they see the light.
This I agree with. There is zero doubt in my mind that the company brought some ludicrous deal to the table, solely so "The Dick" can walk around to new hire classes telling people they offered a deal which the union just needs to accept. I would rather negotiate with the mob, at least they have a code of ethics.
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Old 06-08-2019 | 09:26 AM
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Old 06-08-2019 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I find that the pressure to get the aircraft setup, keep passengers safe, monitor the boarding process etc are all far more important than getting the aircraft setup and navigation put in. Therefore, I wait until the brake drops and the flight is on the clock to run the numbers, enter route, setup performance and such.

Doing it this way ensures that the safety of the passengers is at the forefront of my attention. Once they are safely boarded and we are not under a D+0 crunch, I can then direct my attention to the safety of the passengers in terms of the actual operation of the aircraft. This also allows for proper weather briefings, route briefing and taxi briefings, again, for the safety of the passengers.
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Old 06-08-2019 | 01:53 PM
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Old 06-08-2019 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
Parker is playing 5d interdimensional chess and envoy pilots playing checkers. He's too smart
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Old 06-10-2019 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
Where’s the data that supports the flow is 8.5 years?


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