Envoy vs. PSA | Pay Rate Comparison
06-07-2019, 06:10 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO
Yeah WTF Envoy MEC ... but good news everybody now they feel the need for an explanation of why they stink so much ...
Originally Posted by dvtpilot
This is getting embarrassing.
It's like management needs to see this place burn a little before they see the light.
06-07-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I don't really lay this at the feet of our MEC. Last time I personally talked to someone on the negotiating committee (pretty recent), the company hadn't really been open to anything ANYONE here would accept.
It's like management needs to see this place burn a little before they see the light.
It's like management needs to see this place burn a little before they see the light.
06-07-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO
Yeah WTF Envoy MEC ... but good news everybody now they feel the need for an explanation of why they stink so much ...
We will win this fight, there is NO WAY in this kind of pilot hiring climate that Envoy will keep up running its operation smoothly. I will standby and await for my unions instructions. In the mean time, i show up, fly my contract and go home as soon as the last passenger deboards.
Dont get me wrong, I too feel frustrated. I really hope prospective envoy pilots read this forums and understand this is not the time to come here. Wait til we are paid what we deserve. You will be thanking yourselves in the future.
UNITY!
06-07-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
Folks. It isn’t that hard.
ALPA projects worst case scenario for flow. Company projects best case scenario for flow. Take the average. That’s probably what you are looking at.
The ALPA projection is just as inaccurate as the company’s projection.
This mindset can be extrapolated to everyone the company and ALPA tells you. ALPAs purpose is to make you think company is out to get you and that you really need ALPA to protect you by paying our ridiculous annual dues.
What ever the company tells you and what ALPA tells you are the polar extremes. The truth always is somewhere in the middle.
ALPA projects worst case scenario for flow. Company projects best case scenario for flow. Take the average. That’s probably what you are looking at.
The ALPA projection is just as inaccurate as the company’s projection.
This mindset can be extrapolated to everyone the company and ALPA tells you. ALPAs purpose is to make you think company is out to get you and that you really need ALPA to protect you by paying our ridiculous annual dues.
What ever the company tells you and what ALPA tells you are the polar extremes. The truth always is somewhere in the middle.
The way I see it, while ALPA's projection of a 9 year flow is a little on the pessimistic side, it's possible. I can't even fathom how the company comes up their projection of 6 years... seems almost impossible. And given that almost all non-flow attrition is extremely junior, I think new hires TODAY are looking at an 8 year flow at best.
And all that assumes that AA continues to hire like bananas for the next decade. Flow is connected to hiring numbers so if AA stops hiring, so does flow.
06-07-2019, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jumpseatcrawler
It is not that simple. I have met guys from the negotiations MEC. They honestly work hard for us. Negotiations take time and we all need to be united. Turning our backs on our union would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.
We will win this fight, there is NO WAY in this kind of pilot hiring climate that Envoy will keep up running its operation smoothly. I will standby and await for my unions instructions. In the mean time, i show up, fly my contract and go home as soon as the last passenger deboards.
Dont get me wrong, I too feel frustrated. I really hope prospective envoy pilots read this forums and understand this is not the time to come here. Wait til we are paid what we deserve. You will be thanking yourselves in the future.
UNITY!
We will win this fight, there is NO WAY in this kind of pilot hiring climate that Envoy will keep up running its operation smoothly. I will standby and await for my unions instructions. In the mean time, i show up, fly my contract and go home as soon as the last passenger deboards.
Dont get me wrong, I too feel frustrated. I really hope prospective envoy pilots read this forums and understand this is not the time to come here. Wait til we are paid what we deserve. You will be thanking yourselves in the future.
UNITY!
06-07-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by blackbox348
Remember, the likelihood of pop up thunderstorms exponentially increases in the summers. AOM 1 requires that when taxiways are slippery or wet that we taxi on two engines. May cost the company more than $15/hour for fuel, but one can’t put a price on safety.
06-07-2019, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO
Then why suddenly so defensive ... I don't buy it ... maybe we need people to negotiate that are not afraid to raise a stink aka worry about their flow.
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