Why do people still go to Envoy?
08-06-2019, 06:55 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
IDK
I certainly don’t think I’m exceptional by any measure and most of my IOE and checks have been completed when I hit minimum hours. One had an extra leg to it. Most of those in my classes have been the same way.
I certainly don’t think I’m exceptional by any measure and most of my IOE and checks have been completed when I hit minimum hours. One had an extra leg to it. Most of those in my classes have been the same way.
08-06-2019, 08:14 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by dera
Ok. There has been like 2 new hires on the 175 who has passed IOE at 25 hours in the past 8 months, and that has been because of cancellations. It's been 2 4-day trips with the line check at the end. I did mine at 29 hours, simply because that was the last leg of a 3-day (I did a 4 day and a 3 day trip for IOE). Check airmen don't want to do the line check mid-trip, because they lose the IOE override pay for the rest of the trip otherwise.
Considering they have to pay an IOE captain extra and displace someone, it costs the company quite a bit to keep someone on IOE that isn’t required.
08-06-2019, 08:19 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by dera
Ok. There has been like 2 new hires on the 175 who has passed IOE at 25 hours in the past 8 months, and that has been because of cancellations. It's been 2 4-day trips with the line check at the end. I did mine at 29 hours, simply because that was the last leg of a 3-day (I did a 4 day and a 3 day trip for IOE). Check airmen don't want to do the line check mid-trip, because they lose the IOE override pay for the rest of the trip otherwise.
08-06-2019, 08:30 AM
#54
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Everyone I have seen that only needed 25 hours were a four day and only what ever else was needed of another pairing. Usually it isn’t a matter of the captain losing the IOE line because they had someone else that only needed the rest of the trip to finish as well.
Considering they have to pay an IOE captain extra and displace someone, it costs the company quite a bit to keep someone on IOE that isn’t required.
Considering they have to pay an IOE captain extra and displace someone, it costs the company quite a bit to keep someone on IOE that isn’t required.
Last 5 IOEs were done with 28.02, 28.45, 33.53, 36.37 and 39.30 hours (this from both bases). No-one needed extra hours, they just did their line check on the last flight of their second trip. Out of all the new hires I know personally, every single one has been the same, line check on the last leg of the second trip, and an extra turn with a check airman if the line check cancels.
One guy hit 45.41 hours, I think he was given extra time based on his sequences.
08-06-2019, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Definitely not true most I know finished extremely close to 25. Maybe you're just bad
I wouldn't be surprised if the check airmen figured this is a way to make a bit of extra cash. My sample size is around 20 new hires from this year, and none of them did their line check mid-trip.
You can see for yourself how much IOE people are getting, it ain't hard. Lowest I've seen has been just over 28 hours.
08-06-2019, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Nope, things must have changed. I was scheduled for more but I lost 5 hours to a cancellation. Day 1 the check airman said we'll do your line check on the last leg.
I wouldn't be surprised if the check airmen figured this is a way to make a bit of extra cash. My sample size is around 20 new hires from this year, and none of them did their line check mid-trip.
You can see for yourself how much IOE people are getting, it ain't hard. Lowest I've seen has been just over 28 hours.
I wouldn't be surprised if the check airmen figured this is a way to make a bit of extra cash. My sample size is around 20 new hires from this year, and none of them did their line check mid-trip.
You can see for yourself how much IOE people are getting, it ain't hard. Lowest I've seen has been just over 28 hours.
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