Could be, fair enough. I had interpreted it as union could not grieve it.

Only Air Wisconsin, Mesa, Expressjet, and CommutAir are eligible carriers for Aviate.

This^ Honestly it’s a scam program anyway. ExpressJet had an overall 20% success rate of the old CPP and this “Aviate” program is no better.

Not to mention QOL and pay is terrible at the UAL feeders.

This is just to lure people in the door without spending extra cash.

The program could prove to be improved over the long haul but the past metrics prove otherwise...

Also keep in mind this guy is likely drumming up PR for the “Aviate” program to poach people. Today is the first day he started posting.

Take a look at what the XJT and Air Wisconsin guys think of the program. That should tell you enough...

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...87-aviate.html

Oh neat. Thanks for making an account just for this. It’s not remotely obvious at all. 🤣

Regardless they are fairly accurate with everything except for that last paragraph and who knows, they may be correct on that as well.

The flow here has less and less value the newer you are, almost to the point of being useless. I for one welcome other major carriers to start programs because it will lift the entirety of regional flow programs.

Remember flow for the last group of pilots (after L1011 guys) is based off of a percentage of total number of pilots at the company. With Envoy growing at the rate it is, even with attrition of pilots to other airlines, the total pilot group will grow hopefully pushing the group after the L1011 guys back up to 25-30 a month. I truly believe even the guys and gals showing 9+ year flows will be surprised when they're flowing in under 7.

Lastly I'd just like to say people have this notion, (especially at the WO's) that getting to a Legacy somehow is easy because we see the top 29 people skim off to AA every month. Trust me, it's not. If that was the case all Check Airman, Captains with 1000+ PIC, etc. (from all airlines) would all be gone and there by now. I can't tell you how many people I know who are fully qualified, do all the right things, and still haven't gotten any call from anywhere. I try and stay away from the Kool Aid but I'm also no fool in not valuing the flow that we have.

After L1011 you will be lucky to see a high of 22 flow, maybe. No 25- 30 per month

How many on property would we need for 25, for 30? In recent history we’ve been floating at less than 2500 or so Right? Don’t see that bumping up significantly if previous history continues.

Don’t have the formula handy now.

Even if we have 3000 pilots, the agreement is the lesser of 25% of AA slots or the formula based on how many pilots at envoy. So if AA hire 1000 pilots in a year we would flow 20/month even with 3000 or 4000 pilots on property.