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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2975381)
To me it's pretty clear that you shouldn't just accept missed assignments and it's also pretty clear that RI got targetted by management for being an obstacle to them through his union activities.
Unfortunately because of the way arbitration works, it is easy and relatively risk free in theory for an ENY manager to target or direct the targetting of a particular pilot and it will never come up in discovery, which is informal at best when it does happen. I've seen this myself with how the company responded to another pilot who likes to complain excessively (imo) about hotels. Another reason to fight for increased flow. The sooner you are out the sooner you are away from predatory practices. |
Originally Posted by oldrebel
(Post 2975433)
What’s a CDD
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Originally Posted by oldrebel
(Post 2975433)
What’s a CDD
choice 1 - fired choice 2 - sign, agreeing to be fired if you break any rules while the letter is in effect, 1 year is standard. in their discipline manual it comes after C&C, step 1, step 2.... none of which I had. Im sure they figured with NY closing and me commuting that they’d get me on another MA. Never happened. |
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2975462)
continuous duty overnight
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You’re dealing with an unethical management team. A few are genuinely good guys.
The staffing problems would vanish if they just treated their employees better. They’re positioned to be the lead regional in the industry. Instead they harass, vilify and abuse their staff. aviation is a small world and word gets out. Everybody knows Envoy has a toxic relationship with its pilots compared to other carriers. Fix the reserve rules, fix the order of assignments, stop making lineholders reserve with endless reassignment. For Gods sake learn to schedule and get rid of airport ready reserve. Pay a minimum value for a day away from family. Lost weekends and 12 hour four day trips are just outright wrong and abusive. If they absolutely must have it, make it pay a good premium. Stop abusing people just just because you can. #StopAbuse the flip side is that the average line guy probably has zero idea of the really stupid stuff pilots do and get in trouble for. I was amazed at some of the stuff I defended guys for. The sad part is, I never lost one... except my own...... |
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 2975486)
That would be a CDO and contextually doesn’t fit the conversation either.
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2975487)
The staffing problems would vanish if they just treated their employees better. They’re positioned to be the lead regional in the industry. Instead they harass, vilify and abuse their staff.
Amen dude. Can't believe the atmosphere of disrespect. I don't know if my experience is representative, but 99.9% of guys I've encountered on the line genuinely want to complete the mission and do what we can for the passengers & the operation. Meanwhile management poops on us and looks to erode what little the market has forced them to give. |
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2975556)
Amen dude. Can't believe the atmosphere of disrespect. I don't know if my experience is representative, but 99.9% of guys I've encountered on the line genuinely want to complete the mission and do what we can for the passengers & the operation. Meanwhile management poops on us and looks to erode what little the market has forced them to give.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2975384)
yes, it’s accurate.
what was the last part you say I’m skipping? They did a CDD, I signed it. Or that they fired me twice more over the next year and a half in between lots of attempts to make life miserable. Should have fought the CDD. Worst legal advice ever. Picketing them publicly at LGA probably didn’t help, but it what my pilots wanted to do. . |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2975618)
You missed the part why you were terminated. It wasn't the MA. But if that's all you want to say, we can leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2975487)
You’re dealing with an unethical management team. A few are genuinely good guys.
The staffing problems would vanish if they just treated their employees better. They’re positioned to be the lead regional in the industry. Instead they harass, vilify and abuse their staff. aviation is a small world and word gets out. Everybody knows Envoy has a toxic relationship with its pilots compared to other carriers. Fix the reserve rules, fix the order of assignments, stop making lineholders reserve with endless reassignment. For Gods sake learn to schedule and get rid of airport ready reserve. Pay a minimum value for a day away from family. Lost weekends and 12 hour four day trips are just outright wrong and abusive. If they absolutely must have it, make it pay a good premium. Stop abusing people just just because you can. #StopAbuse the flip side is that the average line guy probably has zero idea of the really stupid stuff pilots do and get in trouble for. I was amazed at some of the stuff I defended guys for. The sad part is, I never lost one... except my own...... |
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