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dera 08-16-2020 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by terks43 (Post 3110742)
FYI, that flying was given away because Mesa refused to let AAG not pay them for last second canceled flights because of low bookings, because the pilots are pay protected for cancellations. So AAG decided to put those flights on a carrier that agreed to wave the payment for a flight canceled by AAG the morning of.

FYI, that is not what happened.

pangolin 08-16-2020 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3110750)
FYI, that is not what happened.

I’ll bite. Something drastic happened to June flying and multiple sources said it was a DP JO BR tiff over cares money and cancel fees. If that’s not what happened then what did then?

ClappedOut145 08-16-2020 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by terks43 (Post 3110742)
FYI, that flying was given away because Mesa refused to let AAG not pay them for last second canceled flights because of low bookings, because the pilots are pay protected for cancellations. So AAG decided to put those flights on a carrier that agreed to wave the payment for a flight canceled by AAG the morning of.

You must be on drugs. Envoy pilots are pay protected for cancellations. Nice try though.

What’s your next doozy? Mesa is the premier regional airline in the United States?

buddies8 08-16-2020 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3110750)
FYI, that is not what happened.

soooooo, tell us what the tiff was and the outcome, then.

normalperson 08-16-2020 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3110893)
What’s your next doozy? Mesa is the premier regional airline in the United States?

no way! Envoy is. Mesa is the worst.

ClappedOut145 08-17-2020 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by normalperson (Post 3111086)
no way! Envoy is. Mesa is the worst.

envoy is far from the best. The only good things we really have are commuter hotels, Captain pay upon bid award, and unrestricted overtime.

pitchattitude 08-17-2020 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3111098)
envoy is far from the best. The only good things we really have are commuter hotels, Captain pay upon bid award, and unrestricted overtime.

Is Captain pay on bid award still a thing now? They pulled the five hour override for accepting a seat lock for displacements. Not that there were many new ones, this last time anyway, not will there be for a while. New captains that is. Not going to see displacements to captain for a long time again.

NotChewbacca 08-17-2020 04:46 AM

Additionally, the 5 hours of pay for a voluntary seat lock is in the contract. The company cancelled everyone’s seat lock a few months back negating the 5 hours of pay everyone was receiving. Anyone who was displaced requiring training on the last bid would have been able to select a voluntary seat lock for pay.

highfarfast 08-17-2020 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by NotChewbacca (Post 3111124)
Additionally, the 5 hours of pay for a voluntary seat lock is in the contract. The company cancelled everyone’s seat lock a few months back negating the 5 hours of pay everyone was receiving. Anyone who was displaced requiring training on the last bid would have been able to select a voluntary seat lock for pay.

I believe you have to have been displaced to a captain position to volunteer for seat lock.


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