5.5 Years To Flow?
03-19-2020, 06:08 AM
#151
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If you're so sure AA is going under, show us your short position.
That said, I agree it looks terrible. AA can't even get 10 flights cancelled in the time it took Delta to drop 70% of their seats from the market. AA is taking great care of their mainline employees, but they're hanging everyone at the subsidiaries out to dry bad. We're all just flying empty jets around waiting for the shoe to drop... or to get sick and lose our medicals.
If you haven't looked at FM1 lately, if you end up going to the hospital you'll need to go convince a doctor (who is probably going to be panicking about the fact that you had coronavirus) to sign paperwork certifying you are fit to return to duty before you can come back off unpaid medical leave. There is no "self-clearing sick" after a hospitalization. [MOD EDIT]
That said, I agree it looks terrible. AA can't even get 10 flights cancelled in the time it took Delta to drop 70% of their seats from the market. AA is taking great care of their mainline employees, but they're hanging everyone at the subsidiaries out to dry bad. We're all just flying empty jets around waiting for the shoe to drop... or to get sick and lose our medicals.
If you haven't looked at FM1 lately, if you end up going to the hospital you'll need to go convince a doctor (who is probably going to be panicking about the fact that you had coronavirus) to sign paperwork certifying you are fit to return to duty before you can come back off unpaid medical leave. There is no "self-clearing sick" after a hospitalization. [MOD EDIT]
Last edited by Scoop; 03-23-2020 at 06:41 AM.
03-19-2020, 06:30 AM
#152
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
If you're so sure AA is going under, show us your short position.
That said, I agree it looks terrible. AA can't even get 10 flights cancelled in the time it took Delta to drop 70% of their seats from the market. AA is taking great care of their mainline employees, but they're hanging everyone at the subsidiaries out to dry bad. We're all just flying empty jets around waiting for the shoe to drop... or to get sick and lose our medicals.
If you haven't looked at FM1 lately, if you end up going to the hospital you'll need to go convince a doctor (who is probably going to be panicking about the fact that you had coronavirus) to sign paperwork certifying you are fit to return to duty before you can come back off unpaid medical leave. There is no "self-clearing sick" after a hospitalization. It might be better to ride it out at home, and if you die you die.
That said, I agree it looks terrible. AA can't even get 10 flights cancelled in the time it took Delta to drop 70% of their seats from the market. AA is taking great care of their mainline employees, but they're hanging everyone at the subsidiaries out to dry bad. We're all just flying empty jets around waiting for the shoe to drop... or to get sick and lose our medicals.
If you haven't looked at FM1 lately, if you end up going to the hospital you'll need to go convince a doctor (who is probably going to be panicking about the fact that you had coronavirus) to sign paperwork certifying you are fit to return to duty before you can come back off unpaid medical leave. There is no "self-clearing sick" after a hospitalization. It might be better to ride it out at home, and if you die you die.
To the rest you are correct although I wouldn’t imagine a doctor having a problem giving you the all clear if you had recovered. Who knows though, uncharted territory we are in.
03-19-2020, 06:55 AM
#153
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Originally Posted by Cyio
“If he dies, he dies”. 😂
To the rest you are correct although I wouldn’t imagine a doctor having a problem giving you the all clear if you had recovered. Who knows though, uncharted territory we are in.
To the rest you are correct although I wouldn’t imagine a doctor having a problem giving you the all clear if you had recovered. Who knows though, uncharted territory we are in.
The people who already have a solid relationship with a PCP are going to be the ones who have an easy time. Might be a good point right now to go get a "checkup" and make nice lol
03-19-2020, 07:54 AM
#154
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Put yourself in the doctor's shoes. Statistically, he's already been sued by a former patient. He's looking at signing a document that says he thinks you are fit to go fly an airplane, a job with extremely stringent medical/fitness standards, in a highly litigious society.
The people who already have a solid relationship with a PCP are going to be the ones who have an easy time. Might be a good point right now to go get a "checkup" and make nice lol
The people who already have a solid relationship with a PCP are going to be the ones who have an easy time. Might be a good point right now to go get a "checkup" and make nice lol
03-22-2020, 02:02 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
If you're so sure AA is going under, show us your short position.
That said, I agree it looks terrible. AA can't even get 10 flights cancelled in the time it took Delta to drop 70% of their seats from the market. AA is taking great care of their mainline employees, but they're hanging everyone at the subsidiaries out to dry bad. We're all just flying empty jets around waiting for the shoe to drop... or to get sick and lose our medicals.
If you haven't looked at FM1 lately, if you end up going to the hospital you'll need to go convince a doctor (who is probably going to be panicking about the fact that you had coronavirus) to sign paperwork certifying you are fit to return to duty before you can come back off unpaid medical leave. There is no "self-clearing sick" after a hospitalization. It might be better to ride it out at home, and if you die you die.
That said, I agree it looks terrible. AA can't even get 10 flights cancelled in the time it took Delta to drop 70% of their seats from the market. AA is taking great care of their mainline employees, but they're hanging everyone at the subsidiaries out to dry bad. We're all just flying empty jets around waiting for the shoe to drop... or to get sick and lose our medicals.
If you haven't looked at FM1 lately, if you end up going to the hospital you'll need to go convince a doctor (who is probably going to be panicking about the fact that you had coronavirus) to sign paperwork certifying you are fit to return to duty before you can come back off unpaid medical leave. There is no "self-clearing sick" after a hospitalization. It might be better to ride it out at home, and if you die you die.
03-22-2020, 02:14 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Put yourself in the doctor's shoes. Statistically, he's already been sued by a former patient. He's looking at signing a document that says he thinks you are fit to go fly an airplane, a job with extremely stringent medical/fitness standards, in a highly litigious society.
The people who already have a solid relationship with a PCP are going to be the ones who have an easy time. Might be a good point right now to go get a "checkup" and make nice lol
The people who already have a solid relationship with a PCP are going to be the ones who have an easy time. Might be a good point right now to go get a "checkup" and make nice lol
If you mean fitness burger in my mouth.
03-22-2020, 04:22 PM
#157
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Originally Posted by wildcat1
Nobody should listen to this. Your AME will clear you to go back to work with no problems at all. Don't let him fear monger you.
You can call your AME and ask him what would happen if you came in with lasting lung damage and a little paper for him to sign saying there's no possible way your medical condition could interfere with your job. That's where the rubber meets the road, ultimately.
Most doctors will recognize that we regularly have to do demanding cognitive tasks at cabin altitudes >7000 ft, and will want some assurance that you have no more lung damage before they sign you off. Have fun with that
03-22-2020, 04:48 PM
#158
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
There's no reason to be afraid of anything. It is what it is and people should plan accordingly.
You can call your AME and ask him what would happen if you came in with lasting lung damage and a little paper for him to sign saying there's no possible way your medical condition could interfere with your job. That's where the rubber meets the road, ultimately.
Most doctors will recognize that we regularly have to do demanding cognitive tasks at cabin altitudes >7000 ft, and will want some assurance that you have no more lung damage before they sign you off. Have fun with that
You can call your AME and ask him what would happen if you came in with lasting lung damage and a little paper for him to sign saying there's no possible way your medical condition could interfere with your job. That's where the rubber meets the road, ultimately.
Most doctors will recognize that we regularly have to do demanding cognitive tasks at cabin altitudes >7000 ft, and will want some assurance that you have no more lung damage before they sign you off. Have fun with that
Similar, but more vein, concern is that I'm due for a haircut... actually over due now... and my barber is 80 and smokes. I'm not going to anyone else. Guess I'll just have long and rough hair for now, FM1 be damned.
03-22-2020, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Hell, I'm more worried about where to go for a medical at the moment. The only guy that does first class medicals in my town is probably 70 years old. His wife is his nurse and looks and acts older than that. I can't in good conscience go to them right now knowing the nature of my job puts me in contact with people that might have it, making me a carrier, and I might not know it yet when I go to them. And I'm due for another medical next month. :-\
Similar, but more vein, concern is that I'm due for a haircut... actually over due now... and my barber is 80 and smokes. I'm not going to anyone else. Guess I'll just have long and rough hair for now, FM1 be damned.
Similar, but more vein, concern is that I'm due for a haircut... actually over due now... and my barber is 80 and smokes. I'm not going to anyone else. Guess I'll just have long and rough hair for now, FM1 be damned.
They’re medical professionals, they can take appropriate measures. No different to the old doctors working at ED, urgent care or family clinics. Let them decide whether they want to see you or not, they know the risks better than you.
03-22-2020, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by havick206
They’re medical professionals, they can take appropriate measures. No different to the old doctors working at ED, urgent care or family clinics. Let them decide whether they want to see you or not, they know the risks better than you.
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