Who said anything about the flow stopping?
the 240 pilots went under a grievance award (I can’t remember what it was for). The 824 went under a grievance settlement. I think some of them had flow agreements when they were hired, but they went about 8-12 years after they were promised to go. The Protected Pilots didn’t have any sort of flow agreement when they were hired and got one, again, through a grievance settlement. The L10-11 didn’t have flow either when they got hired. I can’t remember where their flow came from, either divestiture, bankruptcy, or a settlement.
That’s everyone who has gone since about 2003 when AA stopped hiring.

My point wasn’t that the flow is bad, or useless. My point is that some spreadsheet showing you’ll flow in 5 years is useless. The agreements are bound to change in that period of time. Maybe for the better, maybe not. Just don’t plan your life (or your finances), based on when that spreadsheet says you’re supposed to go.

Also, screaming “ITS CONTRACTUAL” is childish. The company has forced us to change the contract both in bankruptcy, and out of it. They’ve also violated the contract on numerous occasions. Hence all the grievance settlements.

 

when I refer to “haters” I’m talking those at other airlines that don’t have it. If you have flow already, any *****ing is because you want to see it improved. Not trying to tear it down to convince yourself that you are better off without it.

 

Basically means if you showed up to work more often you'd know these things

 

told people is was going to happen. A bit surprised it happening already, I didn’t expect it until later this year, then commonplace by this time next year. In any event, called it right again... just faster than forecast.

the flow will become of less and less value as time goes on.... . Especially at the reduced 17% flow rates instead of 50+%

 

only partially true. Those who flowed prior to 9-11-2001 were from the original flow agreement.... and the first 35 in 2009 were from the first flow agreement. After that came the 247 / 824 awards, the protected pilot 1 settlement flow, and so on....

 

for the better?

used to flow 50% of every class. Did not have to be a Captain. Did not have to have a spotless p-file.

everybody prior to the 247/824 awards flowed under exactly the flow in place when hired....

 

Wrong, a few outliers does not make you a Nostradamus. I have the data, you don't.

Wrong again, the flow will improve as time goes on. You just don't see the facts yet.

 

I stand corrected. In the last 19 years and I was off by 35 pilots.

 

Also...
Some went over with some accrued seniority and longevity (I think the 247 was like that).
The 824 went with company longevity intact, although not pilot longevity (if memory serves).

 

well, since my forecasts have been the ones proven accurate since 2013 and yours have been snake oil since your LAX prediction 2 years ago.... I think we’ll be using mine, not yours.

Flow improve?
We had unconditional flow at 50% of every new hire position. Now it’s 17% with conditions. You have a long long way to go to beat what’s already gone.