What "people" don't like to see that?
The union now publishes the data. Flow 20 until end of 1011, and then 5 + 1 for every 125 above 480, currently 20. Take out 190 lifers and divide the number between you and flow by 20. That's how many months you have left with no-one else leaving above you. It's an excel sheet, you can do whatever you like to it to run your own numbers.

If a new hire averages 10 senior people outside the flow leaving over his time here, then he will flow in 6 years and 2 months. This is the optimistic end. If no-one leaves, which is the unrealistic end of that range, then it's 9 years and 2 months. Truth is somewhere in between.

 

Do you really want to be junior to a bunch of kids hired in their late 20’s for your entire career at AA, flowing after they replace 10k+ pilots between 2020 & 2025? Maybe, depending on age and how things shake out, you’ll be forced to retire never having seen the right seat of a wide body.

imo the flow is way less valuable unless your projected date is in the early 20’s - ship has sailed.

 

What is it with you and another resident here who both left the company, not of your own accord, still coming back here to try and paint a bad picture of Envoy and discourage candidates?

Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.

The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.

 

Can't help but laugh at this. Wrong.

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

Notice how he completely dodges answering the question

 

 

Out of curiosity, how is it that you have so much knowledge of these pipeline candidates if you're no longer at Envoy?

 

He hangs out a flight schools like a drug dealer handing out lolly pops. He is on special assignment from american, he says. So aa is paying him to hand out lolly pops.

 

The Kooj in action...

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