5.5 Years To Flow?
02-05-2020, 06:11 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
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Originally Posted by Chato
i know my time to flow, long enough to stick around.. im talking a list showing you estimate to flow in 2028-9. I dont think people like to see that, thats my point.
The union now publishes the data. Flow 20 until end of 1011, and then 5 + 1 for every 125 above 480, currently 20. Take out 190 lifers and divide the number between you and flow by 20. That's how many months you have left with no-one else leaving above you. It's an excel sheet, you can do whatever you like to it to run your own numbers.
If a new hire averages 10 senior people outside the flow leaving over his time here, then he will flow in 6 years and 2 months. This is the optimistic end. If no-one leaves, which is the unrealistic end of that range, then it's 9 years and 2 months. Truth is somewhere in between.
02-06-2020, 05:36 AM
#12
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Do you really want to be junior to a bunch of kids hired in their late 20’s for your entire career at AA, flowing after they replace 10k+ pilots between 2020 & 2025? Maybe, depending on age and how things shake out, you’ll be forced to retire never having seen the right seat of a wide body.
imo the flow is way less valuable unless your projected date is in the early 20’s - ship has sailed.
imo the flow is way less valuable unless your projected date is in the early 20’s - ship has sailed.
02-06-2020, 06:26 AM
#13
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Posts: 270
Originally Posted by ag386
I’ve been seeing 5.5 years to flow Envoy ads every time I get on APC lately. It seems that’s nowhere near the realm of possibility from the info posted here. How is recruiting still selling this?
Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.
The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.
02-06-2020, 06:27 AM
#14
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Posts: 270
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Do you really want to be junior to a bunch of kids hired in their late 20’s for your entire career at AA, flowing after they replace 10k+ pilots between 2020 & 2025? Maybe, depending on age and how things shake out, you’ll be forced to retire never having seen the right seat of a wide body.
imo the flow is way less valuable unless your projected date is in the early 20’s - ship has sailed.
imo the flow is way less valuable unless your projected date is in the early 20’s - ship has sailed.
02-06-2020, 06:29 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 537
Originally Posted by THKooj
What is it with you and another resident here who both left the company, not of your own accord, still coming back here to try and paint a bad picture of Envoy and discourage candidates?
Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.
The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.
Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.
The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.
02-06-2020, 06:30 AM
#17
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,285
Originally Posted by THKooj
What is it with you and another resident here who both left the company, not of your own accord, still coming back here to try and paint a bad picture of Envoy and discourage candidates?
Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.
The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.
Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.
The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.
02-06-2020, 06:37 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 377
Originally Posted by THKooj
What is it with you and another resident here who both left the company, not of your own accord, still coming back here to try and paint a bad picture of Envoy and discourage candidates?
Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.
The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.
Well, I've got news for you and your other partner in crime. Your efforts are not working. Envoy was on the cutting edge when the pipeline program was started a few years back. It is providing the bulk of new hires and has turned out to be wildly successful beyond all projections. CFI pipeline candidates are the best prepared and best groomed for hitting the ground running on day one of indoc. Of note here, I personally have never been an advocate of the bias toward military aviators being hired directly in at AA. They have zero experience in 121 is the primary reason. Seeing the success of the pipeline candidates at Envoy coupled with less military candidates overall for the legacies lead me to believe that the CFI pipeline candidate of the future IS the military hire of yesterday.
The line to get in the door at Envoy is long.....and getting longer.
02-06-2020, 09:09 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Position: Flying with my right hand again
Posts: 199
Originally Posted by buddies8
He hangs out a flight schools like a drug dealer handing out lolly pops. He is on special assignment from american, he says. So aa is paying him to hand out lolly pops.
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