AA/ENV to suspend MIA operations May 7
05-11-2020 | 06:57 AM
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At least you guys have done a good enough job of spelling to keep the grammar nazis from taking this onto a dirt road.
At least you guys have done a good enough job of spelling to keep the grammar nazis from taking this onto a dirt road.
05-11-2020 | 09:26 AM
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yeah, thread drift never ever happens. I think the debate is pretty much over. It’s not preferential hiring which is what he said it was. That’s been beat to death.
we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
05-11-2020 | 11:57 AM
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Dude, what does a contractor do? They work for you. These WO contractors work for American, they do not work for Delta, United or JetBlue. They are not AA employees, they Are ENY/PSA/PDT employees.
Recruiters aren't lying to anybody. It is their one and only interview they'll ever take to go from university classroom to 777 cockpit. They will change job titles and work without a CBA, then with an ALPA CBA, and then with an APA CBA.... Still having only interviewed and been hired one time their entire career. The rest will be progression along a structured contractual career path.
It is most definitely not a preferential hiring program like you've been insisting. We specifically designed it to not be.
The fact that they have made it so seamless to go from college to a 777 flight deck is one of the very things they're concerned may be used against them in a single carrier employee class petition. "Cradle to Grave" was the word used at our MEC/company meetings to describe their vision of how the pipeline and flow would work. It has worked exactly as envisioned.
You really should spend some time reading the cases I linked above, and the RLA single carrier criteria.
It's somewhat moot, since it would be difficult to get the ALPA attorneys to file and fight for single carrier since they'd lose 5,000 members. You'd be better off having the three regional MEC's hire an outside firm and do it together.
Getting the mergers committee spooled up - as has been happening recently - is a good idea.
Recruiters aren't lying to anybody. It is their one and only interview they'll ever take to go from university classroom to 777 cockpit. They will change job titles and work without a CBA, then with an ALPA CBA, and then with an APA CBA.... Still having only interviewed and been hired one time their entire career. The rest will be progression along a structured contractual career path.
It is most definitely not a preferential hiring program like you've been insisting. We specifically designed it to not be.
The fact that they have made it so seamless to go from college to a 777 flight deck is one of the very things they're concerned may be used against them in a single carrier employee class petition. "Cradle to Grave" was the word used at our MEC/company meetings to describe their vision of how the pipeline and flow would work. It has worked exactly as envisioned.
You really should spend some time reading the cases I linked above, and the RLA single carrier criteria.
It's somewhat moot, since it would be difficult to get the ALPA attorneys to file and fight for single carrier since they'd lose 5,000 members. You'd be better off having the three regional MEC's hire an outside firm and do it together.
Getting the mergers committee spooled up - as has been happening recently - is a good idea.
05-11-2020 | 12:00 PM
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05-11-2020 | 03:53 PM
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They aren’t. They will be, and are just waiting for their seniority to hold an open bid over there. No hiring, no openings to bid the transfer. Until they transfer they are not AA pilots.
I think MIA will be okay. It’s one of their most traffic hubs.
05-11-2020 | 04:10 PM
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As to the original topic, hopefully, the travel restrictions start to lift in Central and South America so that there is a need for connecting feed in MIA. The O&D numbers alone won't sustain the hub.
05-11-2020 | 06:52 PM
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Again, this guy is a huge piece of ****. No one listen to him. He’s civil war loving teen jerking off to models of a 175 in momma’s basement. Bro, seriously just go **** yourself. Keep calling him on his ****. His lack of a reply to anything proves his stupidity.
05-11-2020 | 10:00 PM
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yeah, not really. You delusionally think the WO regional pilots are AA pilots.
They aren’t. They will be, and are just waiting for their seniority to hold an open bid over there. No hiring, no openings to bid the transfer. Until they transfer they are not AA pilots.
I think MIA will be okay. It’s one of their most traffic hubs.
They aren’t. They will be, and are just waiting for their seniority to hold an open bid over there. No hiring, no openings to bid the transfer. Until they transfer they are not AA pilots.
I think MIA will be okay. It’s one of their most traffic hubs.
I agree single carrier status is something that should have been done a long time ago.
05-13-2020 | 04:09 AM
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Nobody is arguing how the company is compartmentalized and structured. It is not preferential hiring, that is a fact. If you want to see preferential hiring go see what the United and Delta programs are. There is an interview process, and they do not HAVE to take you. Once you are hired at PSA/PDT/ENY you can go to AA when your seniority can hold the transfer.
Now, that said, you really need to spend some time and google and read about single carrier petitions and the criteria that is looked at when they decide if a single carrier system exists or not.
Here, I'll even give you a recent decision that did involve AA already AFTER the bankruptcy that has AAG legal so very concerned about a single carrier petition...….… two different companies owned by the same holdings company....
https://atd142.org/wp-content/upload...No.-15-FUI.pdf
Here's one for two legally separate corporations, but one sells the tickets for the other and runs/directs their entire operation.
https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c...SWAPA-ALPA.pdf
How many of those are checked off already. Now show them the published company materials of a guaranteed job awaiting them to garner enough seniority, and while still in college being told this is your one and only interview to become an American 777 pilot.....
it's essentially met and been a single carrier for years, but ALPA loses 5,000 members and APA doesn't want their friends, family and squadron buddies starting out at $40k a year, waiting 5 years to break $100k without killing themselves.
Now, that said, you really need to spend some time and google and read about single carrier petitions and the criteria that is looked at when they decide if a single carrier system exists or not.
Here, I'll even give you a recent decision that did involve AA already AFTER the bankruptcy that has AAG legal so very concerned about a single carrier petition...….… two different companies owned by the same holdings company....
https://atd142.org/wp-content/upload...No.-15-FUI.pdf
Here's one for two legally separate corporations, but one sells the tickets for the other and runs/directs their entire operation.
https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c...SWAPA-ALPA.pdf
How many of those are checked off already. Now show them the published company materials of a guaranteed job awaiting them to garner enough seniority, and while still in college being told this is your one and only interview to become an American 777 pilot.....
it's essentially met and been a single carrier for years, but ALPA loses 5,000 members and APA doesn't want their friends, family and squadron buddies starting out at $40k a year, waiting 5 years to break $100k without killing themselves.
I doubt the USAPA had a say that the APA was taking their members and money.
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