What’s the point of FLOW?
12-18-2020 | 11:08 AM
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12-18-2020 | 11:14 AM
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And imagine already knowing how to fly from ORD to CLT. And Jetnet? JEEEEEEETNEEEET!!?!?!?!?!? OMG, that is just icing on the cake. Talk about being overqualified. But that guy on the 787 already.
12-18-2020 | 11:26 AM
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thanks in advance.
12-18-2020 | 11:46 AM
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I think your equation misses the fact that the WO pilot has 1) already been making them money for a few years, so they’ve probably already paid off that training cost at AA and re-recruiting cost at the WO, and 2) (for what little it’s worth) we’ve been using the same FOM/AOM and are familiar with DECS/CCI and all the other out dated junk AA runs on
If AA seriously valued you as a major resource they could easily have a consolidated pilot seniority list that would start as new WO hire. Or they could just NOT meter the flow to limit it. But they don’t want that.
Moving you up to the major is still AN AVOIDABLE INCREMENTAL COST to AA that they do not incur when they hire military or OTS, and neither of those groups has had any serious difficulty coping with the FOM/AOM or other AA/WO procedures.
Face it, the purpose of the flow is to staff the WO. The major could easily - and more cheaply - be staffed simply with OTS and ex-military hires. At least once all the furloughed at the major are recalled.
12-18-2020 | 01:06 PM
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I think your equation misses the fact that the WO pilot has 1) already been making them money for a few years, so they’ve probably already paid off that training cost at AA and re-recruiting cost at the WO, and 2) (for what little it’s worth) we’ve been using the same FOM/AOM and are familiar with DECS/CCI and all the other out dated junk AA runs on
Being "familiar" with the operation saves them no money, you have to get exactly the same training as any other new hire. If a new-hire has to learn a bunch of manuals and systems, that's a personal problem, not a management problem.
The only calculation they make is "how can we make our next move as cheaply as possible?" If flowing someone and thereby incurring a new-hire AND an upgrade training event at the WO in ADDITION to the mainline new-hire event is more costly than just hiring a fighter-pilot, they're going to hire the fighter pilot. Worse if they're having trouble recruiting for the regional, even more incentive to throttle the flow and hire from Skywest if needed.
12-19-2020 | 06:07 AM
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I noticed you totally ignored my post on a different thread pointing out that your logic holds no water. In 2016/17/18 envoy literally hired anyone with a pulse. Puts your “highly vetted” argument out the window.
Flow is simply to keep pilots in their regionals, nothing more.
you also fail to mention the flow is throttled back and will continue to do so, especially as the pilot group size shrinks.
Also, you were hired yourself in your so called “unvettes and unwashed” era. So what does that make you? Someone who doesn’t even work for AA anymore technically.
Flow is simply to keep pilots in their regionals, nothing more.
you also fail to mention the flow is throttled back and will continue to do so, especially as the pilot group size shrinks.
Also, you were hired yourself in your so called “unvettes and unwashed” era. So what does that make you? Someone who doesn’t even work for AA anymore technically.
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